2023/24 Blue Jays Off Season Thread

[Roof-Daddy]

It's effing crazy that we are only a month away from camps opening up and their are enough good players unsigned that you could probably almost build a competitive team from them.

Lok at the rotation you could make for example:

Snell
Montgomery
Bauer
Urias
Ryu
German
Clevinger
Lorenzen
Carrasco
Wood

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It's effing crazy that we are only a month away from camps opening up and their are enough good players unsigned that you could probably almost build a competitive team from them.

Lok at the rotation you could make for example:

Snell
Montgomery
Bauer
Urias
Ryu
German
Clevinger
Lorenzen
Carrasco
Wood

Yeah, the FA pitchers this year were really deep. Frankly I'm shocked teams didn't load up on them to take a run at it via pitching. Some of those guys surely can't be asking for greater than 3 years but for some reason MLB GMs are suddenly spend shy. Very very odd when there's that level of talent out there nobody is biting.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Yeah, the FA pitchers this year were really deep. Frankly I'm shocked teams didn't load up on them to take a run at it via pitching. Some of those guys surely can't be asking for greater than 3 years but for some reason MLB GMs are suddenly spend shy. Very very odd when there's that level of talent out there nobody is biting.

I think there are enough teams concerned about the future of their TV revenues that the market is weak.

Then once other GMs realize that they lower their bids as well.

[bluejays]

That’s probably it. It’s been going on a couple years now where the normal reckless teams who would give the large contracts have suddenly been responsible.

[Inferno]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1750727156706005309

[KootenayFlamesFan]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1752330315614347474

[KootenayFlamesFan]

1 year deal apparently?

[bluejays]

Big meh from me. Still a day to day upgrade on IKF.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

1 year deal apparently?

1 year 13 Mill


https://www.mlb.com/bluejays/news/ju...blue-jays-deal


Even at age 38 last season, the longtime Dodger was productive in his debut with Boston. Turner slashed .276/.345/.455 for the Red Sox, hitting 31 doubles and 23 homers and driving in 96 runs.

[flambers]

Not a fan of this signing, its seems like the Jays really could not generate anything....

In my view, Jays are going to struggle offensively.

[howard_the_duck]

I like Turner. If it comes down to 1 year of him vs overpaying for ~3 years for Soler, I like this option. Keeps flexibility on rebuilding if indeed that is where things need to go.

Hoping this isn't the only bat we add, however.

[bluejays]

Yeah. Perhaps the only thing I’ve been impressed this offseason is not overpaying for anyone because they are forced to show something. Atkins and Shapiro haven’t financially f’d themselves for the future over a bad signing, so that should be commended. Perhaps the bar is that low these days but it’s a positive.

[bizaro86]

The 1 year deal is a big plus. But I'd rather have 1 better player than two middling options - you only get to play 1 guy per position at a time. I'd have rather seen them try and outbid the Dodgers for Teoscar than pay IKF+Turner more combined money.

Overpayment for 1 year doesn't hurt a potential future rebuild. But if you're bring back this team with worse hitting than last year...

[Jiggy_12]

I like the 1 year, that at least keeps the risk very low.

I just don’t think there’s much upside here, but we did need a power bat and run generator, and based on last year - he will do that.

This should be a playoff team but I see nothing to suggest we have improved

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I like Turner. If it comes down to 1 year of him vs overpaying for ~3 years for Soler, I like this option. Keeps flexibility on rebuilding if indeed that is where things need to go.

Hoping this isn't the only bat we add, however.

If they plan to mostly use Turner at DH (Morosi expects him to be the primary DH), I guess the Jays are out on Soler because he can’t be an everyday fielder.

The lineup still desperately needs a power bat to give Vladdy protection - we can’t have a rotating group of non power bats in the clean up position like last year. Turner is very good hitter but he’s a 20-25 home run guy and the Jays need a 30-40 home run guy.

[KelVarnsen]

Very much a meh signing.

It improves the F grade I gave the Jays offseason but only to a D. I don’t think you can say the Jays actually improved their team this offseason.

They really are hoping Vladdy and Kirk return to form but hope isn’t a plan.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

I like the 1 year, that at least keeps the risk very low.

I just don’t think there’s much upside here, but we did need a power bat and run generator, and based on last year - he will do that.

This should be a playoff team but I see nothing to suggest we have improved

Yeah, I think on the offensive side of the ball they're probably going to be about the same IKF+Turner is not any better than Chapman+Belt I don't think, but maybe you figure on a bounce back from Vlad or Kirk.

Pitching is probably a wash at best, with Ryu and Hicks out and the likelihood they'll be less healthy next year.

So unless someone Davis Schneider turns out to be Mookie Betts 2.0 or someone else like Tiedeman or Martinez comes up and makes a big splash I don't think this team is any better than last year. They were a good but not great team last year.

The rays with no Wander Franco are probably worse, but NYY added and they get Aaron Judge back for the season so they'll likely be better, and Baltimore is still on the upswing imo (they outperformed last year but another year of experience would improve their young core so that's probably a wash).

So basically another bubble playoff team seems likely here. I think the most likely path to improvement would be if they end up with a couple guys earning that 5 spot (eg Manoah+Tiedeman, or whatever) and deal one of them for a 3B bat. I'm keeping the Manoah for Elly De La Cruz dream alive!

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

If they plan to mostly use Turner at DH (Morosi expects him to be the primary DH), I guess the Jays are out on Soler because he can’t be an everyday fielder.

The lineup still desperately needs a power bat to give Vladdy protection - we can’t have a rotating group of non power bats in the clean up position like last year. Turner is very good hitter but he’s a 20-25 home run guy and the Jays need a 30-40 home run guy.

I suspect bench bat that platoons is all that's left for them to add unless they manage to offload salary in a trade and add something more significant.

Underwhelming offseason to be sure. The spectrum from Ohtani and all-in to this is certainly a wide gap.

[Parallex]

On the face of it it's not bad... I think Turner is a perfectly acceptable replacement for Belt.

I am kind of worried that this means that IKF is going to be slotted in as an everyday player. IKF is not perfectly acceptable replacement for Chapman.

[KelVarnsen]

Well Vladdy is going to be on the cover for MLB The Show 24 so that's something?
https://blog.playstation.com/2024/01...o-jr-march-19/