2024 NFL Playoffs Thread

[rubecube]

RIP to all of those moronic Super Bowl logo conspiracy takes. Another L for Aaron Rodgers, too.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by rubecube

RIP to all of those moronic Super Bowl logo conspiracy takes. Another L for Aaron Rodgers, too.

He said the Super Bowl was scripted?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You have to go for it, Campbell is right you never know when you are back.

You don't want a Lafluer moment when they kicked a FG in 2021 on 4th down and questioned it afterwards.

Not many teams have a Mahomes that this happens every year, and even with that the Chiefs have had to reinvent themselves this year to get back.

He even mentioned the division will get better, you never know with injuries, drop in play etc if this chance comes again.

He was right to go for it in the 3rd quarter.

You'll never convince me that not tying up the game with 7:32 left when you opponent had scored on 4 straight drives is the right decision.

You need to tie the game, and keep it a one possession game. Had they done that the game likely goes to OT and you have a chance still. Instead it's a two possession game and you have under 4:00 minutes left to try to get two scores.

You took the game out of your own hands by going for it on 4th down there IMO.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What? They were 12-5 and lost by a FG to a heavily favored 49ers team. There was no luck involved for them this season as they were one of the best teams in the NFL full stop. The NFL is year to year so they may not get back to this point next season but I think you are really going out of your way to discredit a very good season.

You have to look beyond the record though. They had an incredibly favourable schedule and pretty good injury luck. Their defense was terrible against the pass (again) and they're likely going to lose at least one coordinator this offseason.

Combine all of that with a resurgent Packers team and both the Bears and Vikings likely being better next season, and that division is not going to be the cakewalk it was this year.

They do have a fairly good cap situation, but this is a pretty weak FA class and they also have to make a decision on Jared Goff this offseason. He has no guaranteed money left on his deal, so there's zero chance he plays a down next season without a new contract and the franchise tag isn't an option.

It's not impossible that they'll be back next season, but this was probably the best chance they're going to have for a while unless they really nail this offseason.

[SuperMatt18]

Goff is interesting...he's clearly not an elite QB.

But he has been the QB of two teams that made the NFC Championship game (won one, lost one), and has been part of some high end offenses in LA and Detroit.

If you have a well balanced offence that can establish the run then he can be a serviceable QB for you. And IMO not at all the reason they lost yesterday.

So he's fine as their QB...but also probably not a guy you'll want to give huge QB1 money to. Which is going to be their issue moving forward.

It's kind of funny actually...since 2018:

Goff: GP: 95, Yards: 25536, Avg: 7.5, TD: 152, INT: 68, Rate: 94.4
Allen: GP: 94, Yards: 22703, Avg: 7.2, TD: 167, INT: 78, Rate: 92.2

So it's not like Goff has terrible stats...I think part of it is he throws such an ugly ball at times that you think there is no way he's a good QB lol

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He was right to go for it in the 3rd quarter.

You'll never convince me that not tying up the game with 7:32 left when you opponent had scored on 4 straight drives is the right decision.

You need to tie the game, and keep it a one possession game. Had they done that the game likely goes to OT and you have a chance still. Instead it's a two possession game and you have under 4:00 minutes left to try to get two scores.

You took the game out of your own hands by going for it on 4th down there IMO.

Honestly, I think Campbell probably thought the odds were better going for it then letting Badgley try for a near 50 yard field goal. His career percentage from 50+ is 38.5%.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Honestly, I think Campbell probably thought the odds were better going for it then letting Badgley try for a near 50 yard field goal. His career percentage from 50+ is 38.5%.

Should have been around a 47 yard FG attempt I think.

They were at the 30...so feel like that should place it around the 47 yard line.

But yeah point still stands...need to be able to trust your kicker in that spot too and not like they have Justin Tucker.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Goff is interesting...he's clearly not an elite QB.

But he has been the QB of two teams that made the NFC Championship game (won one, lost one), and has been part of some high end offenses in LA and Detroit.

If you have a well balanced offence that can establish the run then he can be a serviceable QB for you. And IMO not at all the reason they lost yesterday.

So he's fine as their QB...but also probably not a guy you'll want to give huge QB1 money to. Which is going to be their issue moving forward.

I think Goff is someone who can win if everything around him is perfect, but he's clearly not a guy who can elevate a team that has a weaker supporting cast, and that's kind of the problem with giving him top-5 QB money. You pay him and you're going to have to compromise somewhere else.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's going to be an interesting conversation. We think you are good, but we also think you are good because of the talent that surrounds you. Top offensive line, a great running back duo, and some really explosive receivers.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He was right to go for it in the 3rd quarter.

You'll never convince me that not tying up the game with 7:32 left when you opponent had scored on 4 straight drives is the right decision.

You need to tie the game, and keep it a one possession game. Had they done that the game likely goes to OT and you have a chance still. Instead it's a two possession game and you have under 4:00 minutes left to try to get two scores.

You took the game out of your own hands by going for it on 4th down there IMO.

It seemed like the 49ers would score. Likely didn't trust his defence.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Should have been around a 47 yard FG attempt I think.

They were at the 30...so feel like that should place it around the 47 yard line.

But yeah point still stands...need to be able to trust your kicker in that spot too and not like they have Justin Tucker.

Considering he joined the team from the practice squad in the final 2 weeks of the season, I don't think the trust was ever there.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You have to look beyond the record though. They had an incredibly favourable schedule and pretty good injury luck. Their defense was terrible against the pass (again) and they're likely going to lose at least one coordinator this offseason.

Combine all of that with a resurgent Packers team and both the Bears and Vikings likely being better next season, and that division is not going to be the cakewalk it was this year.

They do have a fairly good cap situation, but this is a pretty weak FA class and they also have to make a decision on Jared Goff this offseason. He has no guaranteed money left on his deal, so there's zero chance he plays a down next season without a new contract and the franchise tag isn't an option.

It's not impossible that they'll be back next season, but this was probably the best chance they're going to have for a while unless they really nail this offseason.

Ben Johnson has been pushing all the right buttons on offense the past few seasons. One has to wonder if the offense takes a bit of a step back. That would be my biggest concern going into next season.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Considering he joined the team from the practice squad in the final 2 weeks of the season, I don't think the trust was ever there.

Badgley is 13 of 24 over his career from 45-50 yards and the Lions never had him kick a FG longer than 41 yards. I can understand the reservations of trotting him out there especially when the Lions have been the best team in the NFL by a fair margin on 4th down.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The Lions are well run at this point, losing Johnson is gonna hurt but they will likely slide in another offensive assistant who is well versed in their existing scheme so it won't be a huge drop off. But there's a scenario where they are a better team overall next year than this year, but the various luck components (injury luck, fumble luck, one score game luck) just don't go their way next year and they are a 9-8 wild card contender. Solving the Goff dilemma is going to be very important, there's a number where having Goff as your starter is palatable, even a number where you like having him as QB, but will he take that? Or will he want to cash in because in the QB desperate world we live in there is absolutely someone who will pay him close to $50 million per, maybe even more.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This also isn't the Vikings of last year who lucked into the playoffs with a negative point differential.

They are a good team on offence. Gibbs is a star, and it looks like Williams is going to be a good one. If they let Goff walk, can someone step in and just hand the ball off and get the receivers the balls in space to make plays? The line is really good as well.

What is his #?

[Senator Clay Davis]

I think Goff deserves more guaranteed than Geno got, but Goff in that $25-30 million a season range and I'd be very happy if I was the Lions. With their cap situation and the amount of quality young guys they have on the cheap it wouldn't be too bad to sign him to like a 5 year, $150 million deal with $90 million guaranteed and heavy cap hits in the first couple of years.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Reports saying Cousins is looking for a 2 year 90 million guaranteed deal.

[Sylvanfan]

To me Goff is in the mould of Alex Smith. He can direct the offence effectively if he has a lot of talent around him. But he does not have that extra oomph to make a play out of nothing that guys like Allen, Mahomes, or Lamar Jackson can. Is he Kurt Warner with a bit less talent around him? Maybe but I think he is still more Smith than Warner.

But you look at those guys and they only had a couple shots each with their teams. Warner being the Hall of Famer got the Rams to two Superbowls, and than got the Cardinals to one.but Smith had the one good run with S.F. and a couple Division round appearances with K.C. But that was his ceiling. Goff did get one team to the Superbowl and a second to the Title game here. Does he have more, or is this what he is? But unless they draft a young guy, going to be hard to upgrade.

[JBR]

Somewhat lost in the argument about the decision to go for it twice on 4th down, potentially taking 6 points off the board.. is the fact that both 4th down play calls were awful. You need to give yourself options if the first read is not there.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

To me Goff is in the mould of Alex Smith. He can direct the offence effectively if he has a lot of talent around him. But he does not have that extra oomph to make a play out of nothing that guys like Allen, Mahomes, or Lamar Jackson can. Is he Kurt Warner with a bit less talent around him? Maybe but I think he is still more Smith than Warner.

But you look at those guys and they only had a couple shots each with their teams. Warner being the Hall of Famer got the Rams to two Superbowls, and than got the Cardinals to one.but Smith had the one good run with S.F. and a couple Division round appearances with K.C. But that was his ceiling. Goff did get one team to the Superbowl and a second to the Title game here. Does he have more, or is this what he is? But unless they draft a young guy, going to be hard to upgrade.

That Rams team was loaded with talent, and another great offensive line. Woods, Kupp, Gurley, Reynolds, and Cooks. Not to mention the defence with a prime Aaron Donald.

The Lions have a lot of weapons as well along with a great line.

They could plug and play another QB and be in the mix next season as well, Goff is a good game manager and able to get the ball out like Smith, but he throws a very ugly ball. He threw some wobblers even on that 4th down that Reynolds should have had that ball was wobbling.