am I wrong in wondering why they keep harping on the onside thing? either wya they woudl ahve had 50+ seconds. 3 time outs isnt enough right?
Detroit took too much time to get that T.D. if you can kick the F.G. with two minutes or like 1:30 left you can kick it off and hope to stop them and get the ball back. But under 40 seconds you might still be alive, but you're looking at getting the ball back with 20 seconds left unless you get a fumble.
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In the end that one is at least a little defensible...they've went for it on 4th down all year long and it was 4th and 2 from the 28.
But you need to kick the field goal to tie the game when there is 7:38 left in the game and SF had scored on 4 straight drives. You can't take the risk it's going to be a 2 possession game with less than 4 minutes left, and that's exactly what happened.
It's this exactly. Worst case you have a chance to score a TD to tie. You want to gamble? Go for 2 to decide the game.
There wasn't enough upside to gamble when he did, it's an indefensible decision really.
Smart money is for the Chiefs anyway, if SF plays that way on defense Mahomes will crush them.
The lookahead was 49'ers -3...line is 1.5. I think the Sharps will jump on S.F. early and push that line closer to the look ahead. K.C is getting a bit beat up here.
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So this is how it goes to truly be a fan of a cursed fanbase. If it was a Lions fan...something in my house is broken after that series. Just stupid luck there
I do legitimately feel bad for Lions fans. I was pretty crushed after the Dee Ford offside took that pick off the board and let the Patriots score a T.D. when the game could have been over. But they'll lose some coaches which I'd usually not easy on teams. They have a good roster, but that might be the opportunity of a lifetime that got away.
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I do legitimately feel bad for Lions fans. I was pretty crushed after the Dee Ford offside took that pick off the board and let the Patriots score a T.D. when the game could have been over. But they'll lose some coaches which I'd usually not easy on teams. They have a good roster, but that might be the opportunity of a lifetime that got away.
I do too.
And my team is a division rival.
It was such a "Detroit" thing to be up 17 on the road at the half, and then be fighting for their playoff lives going into the 4th.
Detroit took too much time to get that T.D. if you can kick the F.G. with two minutes or like 1:30 left you can kick it off and hope to stop them and get the ball back. But under 40 seconds you might still be alive, but you're looking at getting the ball back with 20 seconds left unless you get a fumble.
I definitely agree, it's just the point I'm making is I feel like I could be wrong with the timing. I feel like there was around a minute left over in the game and they still hadn't scored the major. At that point you're in a short kickoff scenario either way. It was a terrible position to be in and this is all very pedantic. The coach thought he was the smartest person in the room and threw away their season on a really stupid Gamble
I know that's Dan Campbells style' still it has to hurt big time when you cost your team a chance at going to the Superbowl. I can't imagine Lions fans being easy on him.
He's the reason they are there in the first place. The first head coach in decades that has got them to this point in decades. They probably should have taken the FG in the 3rd quarter but IMO it was the player execution that cost them the game not the calls. I hate to pin a loss on a single player but Josh Reynolds cost them the game. That first 4th down pass went right through his hands and he dropped some critical 3rd down passes in the 2nd half. Simply the worst time to have a terrible day.
No surprise that Campbell ends up costing the team in the end. His go for it all the time way is fun when you are 3-11 and wins/losses don't matter but when you have no thought to risk going for it every time is as bad as never going for it.
They got lucky in the Rams game, had a lucky draw with TB not the Eagles or Cowboys so never should have got to where they did. Lions fans can be happy that the season was as "good" as it ended up being but they are nowhere near the top of the teams in the NFL when it comes to talent and especially coaching and despite all the smoke that will be blown up their asses this offseason they will not be back here again next year or in the seasons after that.
Campbell and Goof have a very limited ceiling and they won't continue to get sweetheart paths in the play-offs or have the division be such a cakewalk either.
No surprise that Campbell ends up costing the team in the end. His go for it all the time way is fun when you are 3-11 and wins/losses don't matter but when you have no thought to risk going for it every time is as bad as never going for it.
They got lucky in the Rams game, had a lucky draw with TB not the Eagles or Cowboys so never should have got to where they did. Lions fans can be happy that the season was as "good" as it ended up being but they are nowhere near the top of the teams in the NFL when it comes to talent and especially coaching and despite all the smoke that will be blown up their asses this offseason they will not be back here again next year or in the seasons after that.
Campbell and Goof have a very limited ceiling and they won't continue to get sweetheart paths in the play-offs or have the division be such a cakewalk either.
What? They were 12-5 and lost by a FG to a heavily favored 49ers team. There was no luck involved for them this season as they were one of the best teams in the NFL full stop. The NFL is year to year so they may not get back to this point next season but I think you are really going out of your way to discredit a very good season.
What? They were 12-5 and lost by a FG to a heavily favored 49ers team. There was no luck involved for them this season as they were one of the best teams in the NFL full stop. The NFL is year to year so they may not get back to this point next season but I think you are really going out of your way to discredit a very good season.
They had everything go right for them in that first half to be up, and then when the luck went away and it came down to making plays and decision making from their coach we saw they couldn't hang.
Against the Rams, who were a very weak play-off team, they were lucky to get out of that game and would likely have lost if they were facing a quality play-off team not one getting by by smoke and mirrors from their excellent coach and 36 year old QB making plays.
This is far from the first time Campbell has blown games for them, people just didn't pay attention to those games because the Lions weren't relevant. Now that they are he needs to learn from this and adjust how he coaches, so far in his career he hasn't shown that ability both in terms of in game adjustments and especially in 4th down decision making.
As for Goof he is old enough and experienced enough that we can clearly see you are not winning a SB with him even with a team stacked around him. He was fine for the years while they were rebuilding but he is not a SB winning QB in anyway, he continually shows he will not make plays when needed and requires a perfect pocket to be slightly above average at best. That is his ceiling.
I generally don't have an issue with the first fourth down risk, because there was enough time left in the game to overcome it, but the second one is just situational ignorance. To give Campbell a little benefit it wasn't some chip shot gimme he passed on, it was a 48 yarder that could easily have missed and we'd be saying why didn't he stay true to himself. But with the clock left the Lions were only ever getting one more possession. Gotta play situational football there and avoid worst case Ontario, instead it was worst case and by the time they got the ball back the game was effectively over. I hope that he does learn from it, while retaining his general aggressiveness. But it was a bad call, and I'm probably one of posters who advocates aggressiveness the most. But as I said yesterday it's the Super Bowl, not week five, it's ok to treat it different cause it really is different.
They had a very good season. But as even Campbell himself acknowledged in the post-game presser that very well may have been their only shot. Like I harped on with the Packers the NFL is too random and high variance to simply assume anything, they had a 17 point lead on the road in a game they dominated for 40 minutes. Yes, the Niners had some acts of God to help get back into it, but the Lions have to finish that game out, getting a better look than the one they had yesterday is simply unlikely just by the nature of the NFL, unless you have a HOFer like Mahomes.
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I'm kind of surprised the 49ers are the betting odds favorites given how the Chiefs handled the best team in the NFL up to this weekend. The Chiefs defense is legit and IMO Purdy vs Mahomes is a big mismatch.
Line has already moved towards the Chiefs. But the Niners, like the Cowboys, have tons of backers so they will always get a couple more points on their side to entice bettors.
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I have no problem with the gambles. The play was there and the player didn't execute. Reynolds makes that catch and if the Lions score on the drive, they go up 32-10 and it is probably lights out. None of that game is on Goff, I thought he played well enough to win.
In the end the turning point was a ridiculously fortunate bounce and catch by Aiyuk. Up to that point the Lions played well enough not giving up that big play deep. Even on that play the CB played it well and was in a position to pick it off. That followed up with a rookie mistake that lead to a fumble. The momentum off those turned the game.
By my count I have
Mahomes
Kelce
Chris Jones
Harrison Butker
Mecole Hardman
Jesse Winchester
Nick Allegretti
So that's the big 3, the kicker, longsnapper, backup guard who might have to start, and a WR who was re-aquired, and saw 0 targets yesterday. So that's a fair amount of change from 4 years ago on a team that won the Superbowl. San Francisco is similar with only 8 guys or so still there that I can tell ( any Niners fan is free to correct me), but there's are all key starter types in Kittle, Samuel, Juscyzk, Armstead, Bosa, Warner, and Greenlaw, plus the punter Wishnowski.
Pretty remarkable how quickly elite teams still change. 2020 season is the only one where both these teams weren't in their respective Conference Championship game.
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