Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

It sounds like the part when they smear the girl's character is coming up.

Sadly its pretty much 'Playbook.'

This is going to get worse before it gets better.

[Strange Brew]

I just hope one of these pathetic losers that was directly or indirectly involved has the backbone to come out and admit to what actually happened, including any history or traditions that have been talked about as part of this team.

Probably unlikely given how much time has passed but better late than never.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I just hope one of these pathetic losers that was directly or indirectly involved has the backbone to come out and admit to what actually happened, including any history or traditions that have been talked about as part of this team.

Probably unlikely given how much time has passed but better late than never.

There is no chance of this because they’ll plead not guilty because they’re going to argue she consented and they’re all going to try and avoid prison time.

They are 100% going to smear the victim. It’s part of a legal defense in cases like this and I’m very positive the victim has been told this, and to prepare emotionally for it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I just hope one of these pathetic losers that was directly or indirectly involved has the backbone to come out and admit to what actually happened, including any history or traditions that have been talked about as part of this team.

Probably unlikely given how much time has passed but better late than never.

I get the impression that we will never, ever get the whole truth.

Not even in 30 years in a tell-all memoir. We will never know the real, whole truth.

And I'm fine with that. 7 hockey bros and a drunk girl alone in a hotel room with the questionable accompaniment of pizza. I can pretty much guess what happens next. I am okay with the vagaries.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

There is no chance of this because they’ll plead not guilty because they’re going to argue she consented and they’re all going to try and avoid prison time.

They are 100% going to smear the victim. It’s part of a legal defense in cases like this and I’m very positive the victim has been told this, and to prepare emotionally for it.

Yeah.

"She was into it!"
"She said Yes!" - Despite clearly being intoxicated
"She came to the room!" - with 1 guy not 7.

Its going to get uuuuugly....it hasnt even happened yet and I'm already feeling bad for her.

[CFO]

Originally Posted by jg13

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wor...0to%20consent.

Wasn't this gala a golf gala?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

The fact there exists videos of EM stating it was consensual smacks of ‘cover your ass’ tactics. Why did these guy(s) feel compelled to have that? They knew what they did, on some level, was pretty f’d up.

Yes, this will be a prosecution argument.

[RedHot25]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/londo...rged-1.7097457

Alex Formenton, a former Canadian world junior hockey player and ex-member of the Ottawa Senators who currently plays in Switzerland, is facing charges in London, Ont., his lawyer said Sunday.

"The London Police have charged several players, including Alex Formenton, in connection with an accusation made in 2018," lead counsel Daniel Brown said in an email. "Alex will vigorously defend his innocence and asks that people not rush to judgment without hearing all of the evidence."

"We will provide all updates at our press conference scheduled for February 5, 2024," London Police spokesperson Matthew Dawson said Sunday in an email.

[Locke]

Please tell me that Hockey Canada isn't paying for the Lawyers.

[RedHot25]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1750204093623111872

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

https://twitter.com/user/status/1750204093623111872

This is what pisses me off. If you know this is coming why do you let him play instead of suspending him with pay pending the investigation. Ring resolved.

Same goes for the Flames. If Dube was involved, why did the Flames let him play right up until the moment he was told to turn himself in for arrest?

I mean, Ottawa knew about this and didn't sign Formenton.


Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

There is no chance of this because they’ll plead not guilty because they’re going to argue she consented and they’re all going to try and avoid prison time.

They are 100% going to smear the victim. It’s part of a legal defense in cases like this and I’m very positive the victim has been told this, and to prepare emotionally for it.

I imagine there are people other than the 5 being charged who know exactly what happened.

Wouldn’t it be nice if someone in that bigger group actually has a conscience?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

This is what pisses me off. If you know this is coming why do you let him play instead of suspending him with pay pending the investigation. Ring resolved.

Same goes for the Flames. If Dube was involved, why did the Flames let him play right up until the moment he was told to turn himself in for arrest?

I mean, Ottawa knew about this and didn't sign Formenton.


Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Completely agree.

Speculation is it was Melnyks daughters that refused to let the team sign Formenton.
Whoever's call it was, it's so disappointing to see them be the only team here with some integrity

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

This is what pisses me off. If you know this is coming why do you let him play instead of suspending him with pay pending the investigation. Ring resolved.

Same goes for the Flames. If Dube was involved, why did the Flames let him play right up until the moment he was told to turn himself in for arrest?

I mean, Ottawa knew about this and didn't sign Formenton.


Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

This has already been discussed, but the employer cannot 'punish' the employee based on speculation. The players were not charged with anything and the teams would open themselves up for a lawsuit if they had acted preemptively.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Completely agree.

Speculation is it was Melnyks daughters that refused to let the team sign Formenton.
Whoever's call it was, it's so disappointing to see them be the only team here with some integrity

Quite honestly man...I'm not ready to jump to conclusions.

We dont know who did what or who knew what or when.

We can make some very educated guesses, but again, for all we know Dube is a stand up guy, professed his innocence and the team believed him.

It doesnt look that way at the moment, granted, but...who knows?

I want MBates in here. Lead us to the light man! How is this supposed to go?

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

This has already been discussed, but the employer cannot 'punish' the employee based on speculation. The players were not charged with anything and the teams would open themselves up for a lawsuit if they had acted preemptively.

What about Ottawa?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

What about Ottawa?

I dont know what the circumstances there were. Didnt they just 'choose not to re-sign him?'

Thats not the same as firing him.

I dont know.

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

What about Ottawa?

I think they're probably different because they just didn't re-sign him.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

I think they're probably different because they just didn't re-sign him.

It goes back to what they knew, what they shared and their decisions thereof based on that information.

But...if they share that information around the League and it turns out he didnt do it or gets exonerated but cost him work due to their statements? They are open to being sued for that.

Its very convoluted.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont know what the circumstances there were. Didnt they just 'choose not to re-sign him?'

Thats not the same as firing him.

I dont know.

Probably right, Dube, Hart, McLeod and Foote had contracts when this HC investigation came down, Formenton was an RFA