2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

Jiricek sounds like a real character player whose sense of entitlement supersedes his play. You don't get sent down four times for playing like an every day NHLer.

Aaron Portzline was on the fan last week and even he said the way CBJ has handled Jiricek is ridiculous. Management told him to find a house in Columbus and then sent him to the AHL a few weeks later. Then they suddenly called him back up only to send him down again. Talk about mix messaging.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Flames have had a mediocre decade but they made the playoffs 5 times to Buffalo’s 0, won the division twice and won a couple rounds. Mediocre but no where near a the same as missing the playoffs with 10 top 10 picks in that timeframe we haven’t been living what they went through.

I think they need to be patient and not take as many shortcuts as last time. Don’t trade high picks for a one year goalie rental, or 3 prime assets for a bottom pairing Dman. Acquire picks, make the picks. Develop them. If you can add young cornerstone type assets like they did with Hamilton you still look at it but it has to be a young piece.

This team is entering a rebuild but they will not sell everyone all at once to be the absolute worst roster in the league for an extended period.

"Flames pick 16th every season"

except that time they were 2nd overall...and the other division title. And the 5 trips to the playoffs in the last decade.

Oilers picked first overall 4 times and have zero division titles and zero wins past the second round.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

David Jiricek is getting frustrated with the Blue Jackets, Trade request coming?

https://theathletic.com/5231542/2024...shared_article

How is Jarmo Kekalainen still employed? The guy has built nothing noteworthy in over a decade, has hired horrible coaches, has seen numerous star players walk away from his team, and has only finished higher than 4th in their division once. Not to mention all the rumours of him being awful to work for.

He’s easily the worst GM in the league.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

How is Jarmo Kekalainen still employed? The guy has built nothing noteworthy in over a decade, has hired horrible coaches, has seen numerous star players walk away from his team, and has only finished higher than 4th in their division once. Not to mention all the rumours of him being awful to work for.

He’s easily the worst GM in the league.

He sure has gotten admiration on this board at times.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

"Flames pick 16th every season"

except that time they were 2nd overall...and the other division title. And the 5 trips to the playoffs in the last decade.

Oilers picked first overall 4 times and have zero division titles and zero wins past the second round.

You keep throwing that tidbit out there, but it's misleading at best.

Since 2009-10 the Flames finished:
Top half(1-14): 2 times
Mushy middle(15-20): 9 times
Bottom 10(21-32): 3 times

So in 9 out of the last 14 years the Flames were supposed to pick in the 12-19 range. 8 of them were in the 12-17 range.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

You keep throwing that tidbit out there, but it's misleading at best.

Since 2009-10 the Flames finished:
Top half(1-14): 2 times
Mushy middle(15-20): 9 times
Bottom 10(21-32): 3 times

So in 9 out of the last 14 years the Flames were supposed to pick in the 12-19 range. 8 of them were in the 12-17 range.

and? they said the Flames were the same as Buffalo

missed the playoffs 13x straight...same same

"top half" is also downplaying two division titles and a 2nd overall (top 2, top 4)

[Royle9]

Jarmo is likely done after this season.
The guy has made so many dumb moves, I sure hope they’re ready to move on from Jiricek, flames should be all over that.

He has Johnny fall into his lap out of no where and then pretended like Johnnys first pick was Columbus on live video… he’s handled the young guys so bad this season it’s rediculous.

Scratching of Kent Johnson for long stretches with no reason
The Laine fiasco for the last 2 years
The Babcock disaster (thx Toonage)
Now Jiricek

Guys in his last contract year, there’s no way he gets another one in Columbus.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

and? they said the Flames were the same as Buffalo

missed the playoffs 13x straight...same same

Well, you keep insinuating that the Flames picking around the 16th pick is somewhat a rare occurrence, it isn't so.

Many posters here argue that getting top 5 or top 10 picks beat finishing 7th-10th in the West. We finished 7th-11th in the West in 8 of the last 14 years, which is a miserable place to be in IMO.

Our division titles were on the backs of top picks: Tkachuk, Monahan, Hanifin, and Lindholm, as well as lucky 4th round pick in Gaudreau.

[Toonage]

^^ Don't forget Babcock

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dino7c

"Flames pick 16th every season"

except that time they were 2nd overall...and the other division title. And the 5 trips to the playoffs in the last decade.

Flames draft position based on league finish since the start of the century. 11th, 9th, 9th, 19th, 24th, 18th, 17th, 22nd, 15th, 14th, 14th, 6th, 4th, 15th, 5th, 16th, 12th, 30th, 15th, 12th, 27th, and 17th. Average of drafting 15th and being a really mediocre team. Comment was pretty accurate.

Oilers picked first overall 4 times and have zero division titles and zero wins past the second round.

Sure you want to throw that insult around? Have the Flames been further than the Oilers? Do their chances look better than the Oilers?

[devo22]

not sure I'm completely on the side of a 20-year-old pissed off about some AHL time in his second year in NA, but then again, it feels like Columbus is mishandling a lot of players. Also no idea how Jarmo still has a job at this point.

[Tkachukwagon]

Chytil officially out for the remainder of the season. Wonder if Lindholm is on the radar for NYR?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1751708088636473682

[gvitaly]

EDIT: internet problems(double post) sorry.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

Chytil officially out for the remainder of the season. Wonder if Lindholm is on the radar for NYR?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1751708088636473682

Pushing trochek down to the third line would make them ridiculously good down the middle. Basically Vegas east. They do have the prospect base to do it. Kakko, a buried defensive prospect and 1st, get it done.

[Tkachukwagon]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Pushing trochek down to the third line would make them ridiculously good down the middle. Basically Vegas east. They do have the prospect base to do it. Kakko, a buried defensive prospect and 1st, get it done.

I’d be happy with a prospect like Zac Jones (D) or Sykora (F) and a second for Lindholm. First rounder in 2024 would be gravy.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He sure has gotten admiration on this board at times.

This board had a collective meltdown when Treliving left; it's hardly the measuring stick for good GM's.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

How about Chicago, Pittsburg and Colorado. Chicago has worse winters than Calgary, not to mention it's dirty and dangerous. Pittsburgh isn't exactly high on any great cities of the world list. Denver is about as close an anagram to Calgary as you can get. On a high prairie plane close to the mountains and far from the coasts. Similiar population as well.

Those three teams have 7 of the 18 cups won in the salary cap era.

As to your other point about not wanting to watch a bottom feeder, the Flames have two playoff series wins in the salary cap era. Two! You're already committed to watching one of the bottom feeder teams in the league when it comes to playoff success.

Look at Pittsburgh attendance before Mario and before Sid. Look at Chicago attendance for 10 years before Kane. Look at attendance of Colorado after their cups in the 90's until 2010. The only thing that kept those teams in existence, unlike Winnipeg and Quebec, was the fact that the owners were rich.

How have Buffalo, Edmonton, Ottawa, Columbus et al done with all those high picks. Weren't Buffalo and Ottawa two picks to make the playoffs, how about NJ?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Flames draft position based on league finish since the start of the century. 11th, 9th, 9th, 19th, 24th, 18th, 17th, 22nd, 15th, 14th, 14th, 6th, 4th, 15th, 5th, 16th, 12th, 30th, 15th, 12th, 27th, and 17th. Average of drafting 15th and being a really mediocre team. Comment was pretty accurate.

High of 4th, low of 27th. That's not at all the same thing as drafting around 15th every single year, and you know it perfectly well.

Don't talk to me about averages. The average human being has one ovary and one testicle. Means nothing.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Bubba17

Look at Pittsburgh attendance before Mario and before Sid. Look at Chicago attendance for 10 years before Kane. Look at attendance of Colorado after their cups in the 90's until 2010. The only thing that kept those teams in existence, unlike Winnipeg and Quebec, was the fact that the owners were rich.

How have Buffalo, Edmonton, Ottawa, Columbus et al done with all those high picks. Weren't Buffalo and Ottawa two picks to make the playoffs, how about NJ?

Very poorly run teams, I actually believe the current Flames management would do well with a rebuild compared to those teams.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Flames draft position based on league finish since the start of the century. 11th, 9th, 9th, 19th, 24th, 18th, 17th, 22nd, 15th, 14th, 14th, 6th, 4th, 15th, 5th, 16th, 12th, 30th, 15th, 12th, 27th, and 17th. Average of drafting 15th and being a really mediocre team. Comment was pretty accurate.



Sure you want to throw that insult around? Have the Flames been further than the Oilers? Do their chances look better than the Oilers?

No context as usual