Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton found not guilty of sexual assault

[CFO]

The court will determine the details and charges where applicable.

Basing content on actions is not proper trial - people (both guys and girls) can be dirty with actions but that is not what this case is about. It's about consent.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are ignoring the history of this sport. Most of these guys will find another chance in the NHL again if not convicted.

Any professional sports actually

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Any professional sports actually

If so, why isnt Formenton on an NHL deal?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If so, why isnt Formenton on an NHL deal?

This is a very ugly look for the players involved even if they aren’t convicted. With the details being public to the extent they are now, I think their careers are certainly in jeopardy. The Flames removal of Dube from their publicly accessible roster is very much intentional, I think. I would be surprised if these players were to resurface in the NHL without some resounding evidence that clears one or more of them.

It’s hard to fathom, honestly. How could five young men make such a terrible decision even if it was consensual and how did they get such an act in their heads? Holy sh*t!?! It also begs the question, was this a one off or are there others? Seems to me this is beyond the limits of ‘one crazy night’. There are some serious behavioural issues here. Katie Strang/Dan Robson/Ian Mendes’ piece in the Athletic made it sound predatory and intentional. The group had tried to lure one other girl prior to EM that night.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If so, why isnt Formenton on an NHL deal?

I would guess it's because there is a strong possibility (or belief of it) that he will be convicted.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If so, why isnt Formenton on an NHL deal?

Because he is not cleared yet and the suspicion is strong on this disgusting act that he is the main guy?

Second chance only for those that were cleared or already paid their debt

But I don’t understand your question. My comment was in any sports, you’d find people with bad history, especially if they were not convicted in a court of law

[taxbuster]

Formenton is the first to be charged per Robyn Doolittle on Twitter. (Cant embed from here)

[RedHot25]

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https://twitter.com/user/status/1751661719837929705

[Tuco]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Formenton is the first to be charged per Robyn Doolittle on Twitter. (Cant embed from here)

What was he charged with?

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by Tuco

What was he charged with?

He turned himself in but no charges have been announced. A statement from his lawyer confirmed he has been charged.

“The London Police have charged several players, including Alex Formenton, in connection with an accusation made in 2018. Alex will vigorously defend his innocence and asks that people not rush to judgment without hearing all of the evidence,” Mr. Formenton’s legal team said in a statement.

[cam_calderon]

The same report says it's not confirmed whether the remaining players have turned themselves in.

[Eric Vail]

It sounds like the part when they smear the girl's character is coming up.

[Tuco]

[Coach]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The problem is the evidence of consent v. no consent. I actually think the original complaint was made by a relative, BTW.

The problem here will be the lack of an actual verbal indication at the time that there was no consent. All of them will say - no she was a willing participant and never said no. Plus, as I understand it, there was some text or phone communication right after the fact where the victim said she did consent.

On the other side will be any evidence that the accuseds should have know that there wasn't any consent - signs of impairment (and to what degree), the mere fact of whether any consent in that weird situation could be assmed no matter what. There the after the fact conversations might cut the other way - whoever contacted her must have done so because they knew it was questionable. Plus there may be some accused who cut a deal and give evidence against the others.

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

As it pertains to securing a criminal conviction, maybe there’s not enough evidence.

Is there enough evidence for me as an individual to conclude these boys have acted disgracefully?

Yeah, there is.

And that’s before anyone flips.

Yeah, both go these positions is basically where I'm at. Because of the videos and the texts giving consent (after the fact...) it may be enough to not convict anyone in the eyes of the law.

But what they did was despicable and I totally believe her story. In my personal view, a post gang rape coerced consent video is basically an admission of guilt. It would not surprise me at all if this happened often and or was even some sort of "tradition" or something. Hockey Canada needs a total reset from the top on down.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Coach

It would not surprise me at all if this happened often and or was even some sort of "tradition" or something. Hockey Canada needs a total reset from the top on down.

This thought has crossed my mind as well, and we're basically one more similar allegation popping up between 2003 and 2018 to establish a pattern.


One has to wonder what the motivations of a player - who has taken a woman home for 1-on-1 consensual sex - would have to be to invite half a dozen other men to participate. Is it credible to believe that that was just the product of a particular sexual proclivity of the player who did the inviting, or is it more likely that the invitation was either expected or premeditated among the group?

[jg13]

Didn’t they bring golf clubs in order to intimidate and scare the victim? That is 100% premeditated.

[Tuco]

Is there an article anywhere that has all the allegations/transcripts? I keep hearing stories of pizza, chicken wings, golf clubs.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

One player was invited up to the room to have some pizza. He arrived to find no pizza, but witnessed the orgy/gangbang/gang-rape. He sticks around for 10 minutes. It's unclear if he's waiting for the pizza to arrive (spoiler: there is no pizza coming) or if he's watching the sex and trying to figure out if it's consensual or if he just is trying to get out of there asap without participating.

Eventually he leaves without participating in the sex or eating pizza.

Its plausible the police issue a warrant for his arrest on some lesser charge. Or the whole charge if they're not sure if he's telling the truth.

There are so many missing details about this case, do we know conclusively whether the Pizza ever actually got there or not?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Coach

Yeah, both go these positions is basically where I'm at. Because of the videos and the texts giving consent (after the fact...) it may be enough to not convict anyone in the eyes of the law.

But what they did was despicable and I totally believe her story. In my personal view, a post gang rape coerced consent video is basically an admission of guilt. It would not surprise me at all if this happened often and or was even some sort of "tradition" or something. Hockey Canada needs a total reset from the top on down.

The fact there exists videos of EM stating it was consensual smacks of ‘cover your ass’ tactics. Why did these guy(s) feel compelled to have that? They knew what they did, on some level, was pretty f’d up.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Tuco

Is there an article anywhere that has all the allegations/transcripts? I keep hearing stories of pizza, chicken wings, golf clubs.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wor...0to%20consent.

The statement of claim alleged that at some point, the player allowed seven other hockey players into the room without her "knowledge or consent." The statement of claim also said the men brought "golf clubs with them, knowing it would further frighten and intimidate her."