2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[jg13]

Anyone starting to get worried about Lindholms value? 1 goal in his last 24 games. He does have 13 assists in that time however.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by jg13

Anyone starting to get worried about Lindholms value? 1 goal in his last 24 games. He does have 13 assists in that time however.

We’re already winning in that he refused to sign with the Flames last summer. Anything now is gravy.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by jg13

Anyone starting to get worried about Lindholms value? 1 goal in his last 24 games.

Not really, teams will look at the bigger picture with a player like this

Real concern, will teams have cap space or will they want to make a move

Deadline could be quiet,

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by jg13

Anyone starting to get worried about Lindholms value? 1 goal in his last 24 games. He does have 13 assists in that time however.

lol yep.

Initially laughed off what Blaster was suggesting the Canucks would pay and now I feel like we'll be lucky if thats what we get in the end.

Also laughed off the idea that Monahan could fetch equal value. Still don't see it as likely but its not as far fetched as I once thought.

But this is 2 years now of underwhelming performances from Lindholm. We talk about looking back at his career as a whole but he only really stood out for those few in Calgary with Gaudreau, Tkachuk & Monahan.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Also laughed off the idea that Monahan could fetch equal value. Still don't see it as likely but its not as far fetched as I once thought.

Nor I, Monahan has huge risk with his history of injuries,

I don't see the players even close in value

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Toonage

lol yep.

Initially laughed off what Blaster was suggesting the Canucks would pay and now I feel like we'll be lucky if thats what we get in the end.

Also laughed off the idea that Monahan could fetch equal value. Still don't see it as likely but its not as far fetched as I once thought.

As long as two teams want him I’m not super concerned but I was only ever expecting a 1st and decent prospect

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by flambers

Nor I, Monahan has huge risk with his history of injuries,

I don't see the players even close in value

Right now I see (hope) that Lindholm returns a 1st and a prospect. I could see Monahan getting as much as a 2nd and a 3rd.

[Royle9]

The Insiderrr's have all pretty much confirmed Monahan will get a 1st (late) so I'd say there's no way Lindholm doesn't fetch 1st ++ at this point.

1 bad season doesn't take away his 200ft game and his skill when he actually cares.
He's mentally checked out, wants nothing to do with CGY anymore and part of why he should of been traded before the season started.

Just a huge distraction.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

TBF, it took Iggy two seasons of cup hunting with Pittsburgh and Boston to decide to go somewhere else and I think Colorado threw some money at him. Tanguay and Skaic may have talked him into it through their personal relationships as well, and Iggy might also have thought they were closer to sucecss than they actually were - they had ROR and Duchene coming into their prime years, Tyson Barrie and Erik Johnson were as well.

Not to mention MacKinnon already becoming a star player.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think Flames ownership should be scared of a rebuild but I do think attendance will suffer until the new rink is ready. I also think adding a young cornerstone player via the draft will excite this fanbase more than an attempt to make the playoffs and finish on either side of the bubble (unless a fluke playoff run happened)

If I were the Flames, I'd do what the Rangers did. Place a giant ad stating their intent.

Set people's expectations. It goes a long way. That way we can all commiserate together.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Also laughed off the idea that Monahan could fetch equal value. Still don't see it as likely but its not as far fetched as I once thought.

I can see a desperate team who misses out on a couple of the other names buckling and paying Montreal's ask, but that's about the only way they're getting a 1st for Monahan. I think they're going to blink and end up sending him somewhere for a 3rd or 4th closer to the deadline (like actual 3pm eastern day of dead line)

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by bluejays

While it may have never been predictable, it was always a risk. It’s akin to selling a stock at its high. With Lindholm, after last season what was the possibility he’d match? I’d say low. So why not sell him at his high? The organization has continually misstepped when assessing risk. I’d make the same argument about Markstrom. He’s exceeded expectations and has value, albeit a NMC, which may be loose, so why not trade him when his value is highest and he’s not a part of the realistic future?

A stock is only high if there are buyers that want to purchase at that price. At that time. Due to numerous constraints on the potential buyers, Conroy likely wasn't going to get what posters believed Lindholm's worth was back then.

Stocks don't sell at their "worth" - (subjective), they sell at what someone is prepared to pay for them (objective).

[Toonage]

Monahan will always have the injury risk, but he's heating up at the right time. If he caries this consistent play through February it could get interesting.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The issue with moving guys like Tanev, Coleman, or Backlund is that they need to go to contenders trying to find that single missing piece. Same with Markstrom to an extent: a team that has everything else and is right there, but their goaltending isn’t strong enough for the playoffs. They can’t go to teams like Ottawa that might be contenders in 2-3 years but aren’t quite on the cusp yet.

Guys like Lindholm and Hanifin would be perfect adds for a team just entering the window, though. They can still contribute for 5+ years.

The added benefit of trading to the teams on the cusp is that if the return includes a 1st, they are likely an earlier one.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Monahan will always have the injury risk, but he's heating up at the right time. If he caries this consistent play through February it could get interesting.

I called it and stick by it.

It’s not that Money is coming up to Lind level.

It’s that Lindy is coming down to Money level.

Lindy is going to be acquired as a rental. He is not leaving money on the table by forsaking free agency.

Therefore his value will be based on what he brings now, and recent history is the best predictor of that. I see him added to a contender for centre depth and with max retention. He is a luxury add and probably doesn’t move the needle that much for a team with serious aspirations.

That’s worth a late first and a prospect.

If we take a contract back that needs a change of scenery that changes the return accordingly. But the Lindy portion is just those two prices or equivalent.

My guess is Money gets a late first and a similar prospect.

Pretty close.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Monahan will always have the injury risk, but he's heating up at the right time. If he caries this consistent play through February it could get interesting.

He’s also shown that he will play through excruciating career threatening pain for his team.

Whatever he has left he’ll bring it. Can’t say the same for Lindy. He lacks the kind of fire you want to see from a late season cup run depth player addition.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by jg13

Anyone starting to get worried about Lindholms value? 1 goal in his last 24 games. He does have 13 assists in that time however.

Not worried at all. Lindholm is definitely losing value, but not enough to lose sleep over. I would guess that Lindholm probably lost at least a 2nd round pick of value from the off-season until now. If it was 1st + 2 x 2nds, now it's 1st + 2nd.

I don't think Lindholm is playing terribly. He still leads the forwards in ice time. He's pretty good on the PK, he's good defensively, he's a top center for taking faceoffs, and he still puts up points, but considerably less than his career high.

I don't think his ability to score goals is gone, either. His line mates simply don't buy him enough time to set up in the slot for a shot.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Not to mention MacKinnon already becoming a star player.

IIRC, when Iggy went Mackinnon was still lagging behind Monahan in points for their draft year.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

There have been rumors that the Senators want to move that Norris contract.

I'd be all over that for the right deal TBH. He's 24, he's had a bit of bad luck with injuries, but is a top 6 center long term still IMO.

That’s exactly the kind of move a team that’s re-tooling, rather than rebuilding, should be looking at. The Flames will have the cap to take a shot at a young player like Norris.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Royle9

The Insiderrr's have all pretty much confirmed Monahan will get a 1st (late) so I'd say there's no way Lindholm doesn't fetch 1st ++ at this point.

1 bad season doesn't take away his 200ft game and his skill when he actually cares.
He's mentally checked out, wants nothing to do with CGY anymore and part of why he should of been traded before the season started.

Just a huge distraction.

Maybe this and the Gaudreau fiasco will teach this franchise to get ahead of the game and trade pending UFAs before their final season.

But probably not.