2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Which is precisely the reason it should have started way sooner. Lindholm has only decreased his value as the season has progressed. He would have been a perfect guy to sell on early in the season.

Who would have predicted that he would fall off a cliff like this? Also as a rental his contract would always have to be taken into account so it would be much more difficult for contending teams to fit him in early in the season compared to at the trade deadline.

[NewFan]

Total rebuild:

This year - Trade Hanifin, Lindholm, Tanev, Greer, Vladar
Next year - Trade Markstrom, Coleman, Mangiapaine, Kadri
Third year - Trade Weegar, Backlund and Huberdeau

Full rebuild - 3 years - Draft top 3 - 2 times, top 5, plus 3-4 more 1st rounder.
Total 30 more draft picks.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Who would have predicted that he would fall off a cliff like this? Also as a rental his contract would always have to be taken into account so it would be much more difficult for contending teams to fit him in early in the season compared to at the trade deadline.

While it may have never been predictable, it was always a risk. It’s akin to selling a stock at its high. With Lindholm, after last season what was the possibility he’d match? I’d say low. So why not sell him at his high? The organization has continually misstepped when assessing risk. I’d make the same argument about Markstrom. He’s exceeded expectations and has value, albeit a NMC, which may be loose, so why not trade him when his value is highest and he’s not a part of the realistic future?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

But I don't think comparing the potential attendance of this team in a rebuild to the late 90s Flames is a very genuine argument.

Don't tell me. Tell the Flames. They're the ones that are scared to death about it.

I can tell you for a fact Edwards doesn't give two ####s how the team performs as long as there's butts in the seats.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Don't tell me. Tell the Flames. They're the ones that are scared to death about it.

I can tell you for a fact Edwards doesn't give two ####s how the team performs as long as there's butts in the seats.

That's fair. I legitimately believe a rebuild is their best path at keeping butts in the seats, especially if/when ticket prices rise significantly when the new arena is opened.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Total rebuild:

This year - Trade Hanifin, Lindholm, Tanev, Greer, Vladar
Next year - Trade Markstrom, Coleman, Mangiapaine, Kadri
Third year - Trade Weegar, Backlund and Huberdeau

Full rebuild - 3 years - Draft top 3 - 2 times, top 5, plus 3-4 more 1st rounder.
Total 30 more draft picks.

Try telling that to Edwards.

I doubt we trade Coleman, Kadri, Huberdeau, and Weegar.

[NewFan]

New upcoming young team attract new fans. Plus new arena it will full at least first year just because some people will come to visit the arena.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by NewFan

New upcoming young team attract new fans. Plus new arena it will full at least first year just because some people will come to visit the arena.

Speaking of the new arena, have the revised designs come out?

[BrownDrake]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Total rebuild:

This year - Trade Hanifin, Lindholm, Tanev, Greer, Vladar
Next year - Trade Markstrom, Coleman, Mangiapaine, Kadri
Third year - Trade Weegar, Backlund and Huberdeau

Full rebuild - 3 years - Draft top 3 - 2 times, top 5, plus 3-4 more 1st rounder.
Total 30 more draft picks.

And then 3-4 years to develop and compete so playoffs in 2030 maybe a miracle run in 2028 or 2029 if someone stumbles or we surpass expectations.


I'm ok with that but so are probably most of the people on this board the rub is that management and ownership usually isnt and certainly the majority of fans are absolutely not gonna watch losing hockey. Its a much tougher job to do the right thing in a hockey market.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

And then 3-4 years to develop and compete so playoffs in 2030 maybe a miracle run in 2028 or 2029 if someone stumbles or we surpass expectations.

Isn't that what we're doing now? Except we're slowly trading our houses down to paperclips as they age/get signed to 8 year contracts?

[Britflamesfan]

I just wish Conroy would get on with it. Greer will now be out so not tradable, Tanev is a risk every time he steps on the ice. The longer we keep waiting the more chance one or two of our UFA or possible trades gets injured. Also if we are just hanging waiting for the very best offer teams who have needs will pick up from elsewhere.

[getoverit]

Need 2 to tango.

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

I just wish Conroy would get on with it. Greer will now be out so not tradable, Tanev is a risk every time he steps on the ice. The longer we keep waiting the more chance one or two of our UFA or possible trades gets injured. Also if we are just hanging waiting for the very best offer teams who have needs will pick up from elsewhere.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Who would have predicted that he would fall off a cliff like this? Also as a rental his contract would always have to be taken into account so it would be much more difficult for contending teams to fit him in early in the season compared to at the trade deadline.

If anything I was willing to bank on a very strong season for Lindy. Look at Gaudreau, Nylander, Horvat, Reinhart. These guys all played their asses off in their contract years and cashed in on way bigger deals than they would have otherwise (Reinhart TBD). I am really surprised Lindholm wasn’t able to do the same thing.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by getoverit

Need 2 to tango.

And you just don't want to give away players for the sake of trading them.

There's a difference between holding off trading because you're hoping for that offer you can't refuse that may not ever come and holding off because you don't think what you're getting back is fair.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

While Calgary was doing pretty well before October 2014, the crash hit this city hard yet we still had 100% attendance in 2015/2016 when we picked 6th overall.

A lot of the problems impacting the Flames attendance right now could also be said about many other Canadian teams/cities and are not a uniquely Calgary problem.

But I don't think comparing the potential attendance of this team in a rebuild to the late 90s Flames is a very genuine argument.

15/16 is coming off a shocking run to the 2nd round in year 2.5 of an overdue rebuild with young budding superstars on the roster in Gaudreau and Monahan with recently drafted Sam Bennett playing his first full season, and Dougie Hamilton joining the team. Expectations weren’t to be a bottom feeder (although analytics pointed to a massive regression). I doubt season tickets cancellations were coming through when it appeared the team was on a swift upswing.


I don’t think Flames ownership should be scared of a rebuild but I do think attendance will suffer until the new rink is ready. I also think adding a young cornerstone player via the draft will excite this fanbase more than an attempt to make the playoffs and finish on either side of the bubble (unless a fluke playoff run happened)

[MissTeeks]

Attendance is already getting sketchy. My row on Tuesday was half empty the whole game.

[PepsiFree]

Wasn’t there an argument that the Flames never “fully embraced” the rebuild last time?

If that’s true, and they’re doing the same thing this time, it would suggest that their current direction won’t hurt their attendance but doesn’t really say anything about what a complete tear down would do. In that case, the 90s would probably be a more relevant comparable.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

I just wish Conroy would get on with it. Greer will now be out so not tradable, Tanev is a risk every time he steps on the ice. The longer we keep waiting the more chance one or two of our UFA or possible trades gets injured. Also if we are just hanging waiting for the very best offer teams who have needs will pick up from elsewhere.

That’s not how it works. It’s literally the same every year.

[Badgers Nose]

I don’t know how our UFA feel about it, but as someone that has an axe looming over their head at work myself, I wish it would just come down already.

I’m sure they wanna get the hell out of here too. This kind of distraction is not good for anyone. I realize Conroy needs a dance partner, but come on there’s been plenty of smoke about these guys.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Wasn’t there an argument that the Flames never “fully embraced” the rebuild last time?

If that’s true, and they’re doing the same thing this time, it would suggest that their current direction won’t hurt their attendance but doesn’t really say anything about what a complete tear down would do. In that case, the 90s would probably be a more relevant comparable.

I don't think either comparison is entirely apt. In the 90s, the Flames were struggling with ownership issues, a poor Canadian dollar/economy, and ultimately competing in an environment against teams without a salary cap. If the team could develop a star, they would just be lost to another team.

I don't think what the Flames did in the 90s was a teardown rebuild.