Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[Huntingwhale]

Tldr

[Heavy Jack]

[Yeah_Baby]

Yeah, I didn't read all that.

[FanIn80]

I've added spoiler tags so it takes less time to ignore it all now.

PS. it's (if you extrapolate) about how we've devolved from fascination, discovery and learning allll the way down to "tldr" ... so, these responses are quite apt, lol.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by chedder

If they would have simply said, 'personal leave and no further comment' like the other 4 teams this whole debate wouldn't have started. Now maybe Dube made them disclose the mental health aspect, who knows.

I think the debate is overblown. Dube presumably told them he needed time off for his mental health. This was days before the charges became a thing. Even if the Flames knew or suspected he was involved they presumably didn’t know charges were coming so had no right to question a mental health claim, even if that mental health issue was related the the HC situation.

Why mention mental health? Maybe their approach evolved after the Kylington situation where it spawned so much speculation. Maybe since the Kylington situation broke the ice on mental health awareness they thought it was a positive to mention it.

I wouldn’t fault the Flames for going either route given that Dubé was the first and got out ahead of the news. In hindsight it looks bad but it’s a non-issue to me.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I've added spoiler tags so it takes less time to ignore it all now.

PS. it's (if you extrapolate) about how we've devolved from fascination, discovery and learning allll the way down to "tldr" ... so, these responses are quite apt, lol.

I mean I think it has more to do with the breakdown of the post war consensus and rapid pace of tech and communication that has changed how we communicate (or don't). Not that we as a society lack fascination, discovery, and learning. That entire take is like 'back in my day we etc etc etc' which I disagree with. At the end of day people are just people. We've always been this way, just different trappings more or less. But I'm not a bot so what am I talking about. Sorry for forming my own thesis and not relying on AI

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I mean I think it has more to do with the breakdown of the post war consensus and rapid pace of tech and communication that has changed how we communicate (or don't). Not that we as a society lack fascination, discovery, and learning. That entire take is like 'back in my day we etc etc etc' which I disagree with. At the end of day people are just people. We've always been this way, just different trappings more or less. But I'm not a bot so what am I talking about. Sorry for forming my own thesis and not relying on AI

No, it was really a conversation about how information is taught from one generation to the next and how, eventually, things that have happened become taught by people who are more and more disconnected from the events themselves actually happening. Which leads to less and less conviction by the people teaching and less and less reception by the people learning. Culminating in people opting to disregard learning and criitical thought in exchange for algorithmically-powered (because of how search engines work) affirmation-based learning.

Contextually, the conversation was illustrated by examples of how different major events have been experienced by different generations, but that wasn't the conversation itself.

Interestingly, I ended the conversation just as it shifted towards how this has all lead to people often not knowing enough about what they're talking about to actually not know that they don't know what they're talking about. (Edit: which is how it all relates to this entire thread.)

Edit: And I pointed out how you can extrapolate from that conversation, how we've shifted from being fascinated enough with discovery that we're willing to put in the effort (which leads to learning)... to [insert many gradual steps]... to "tldr."

[FlamesAreOne]

Interesting...

@frank_seravalli

Subject to change, but my understanding of the current situation for the 4 #NHL players who have taken leave of absence:

- Will continue to be paid.
- Continue to count against the salary cap.
- Do not count against the roster limit (e.g. non-roster status).

[FanIn80]

Also... if you guys enjoyed not reading my conversation about teaching and reception of information across generations... you should also not read the conversation I had with it about hip-hop (which started with... "tell me about g-funk") that went on for about 6 pages.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Edit: And I pointed out how you can extrapolate from that conversation, how we've shifted from being fascinated enough with discovery that we're willing to put in the effort (which leads to learning)... to [insert many gradual steps]... to "tldr."

I think it's less people not being fascinated with discovery and more just nobody wanted to read some random guy's off-topic multi-paragraph conversation with an AI.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Personally, I am keeping an open mind about who is and who isn't involved, as well as how much they are involved. I sort of look at the possibilities when it comes to Dube like this:


1) He is one of the 5 being charged


2) He was the one that went into the room, and went back out.


3) He only heard about it when it was happening, but didn't go into the room at all and was not a part of it.


4) He didn't know about anything until after the fact.


5) He was working with law enforcement and was the one providing the most information about what happened.


How sure is anyone here about where Dube fits? I have absolutely not idea, and I am going to wait until we know who the 5 are.


When these 5 (and potentially more?) idiots are charged, tried and convicted, I hope they all get really tough sentences as to make examples out of them. Maybe then - MAYBE - some of this 'hockey culture' crap will change. FFS, at least I hope that Hockey Canada gets rid of their hush-money payment war chest and stops protecting the guilty.


If Dube is one of the guilty parties, he is dead to me, should be tarred and feathered and I will have my pitchfork out. Until then, I am just quietly sharpening it for whomever the 5 are (plus 3?? sounds like not enough evidence to be charged).


As the upcoming trial unfolds, I assume that definitive names and actions will come out of this. We will know exactly who did what, and who didn't.


As for the Flames, maybe they knew and maybe they didn't. If I am Dube, I am not telling them exactly what is going on. They can connect the dots, but if they were wrong, that will give them a real bad look as an organization that wasn't supporting a player in crisis, especially if he was troubled with being the informant (just in case that was his role to play). At this point, unless the Flames definitively knew one way or the other, I don't judge them at this time for their statement.


Throw people under the bus only when we are sure about them. Sometimes the damage is too great and permanent to recover from if we are wrong. Retractions don't make for as big of headlines as scandals do.


I just hope that when everything comes out, this story will be taught to every kid on team Canada - and beyond - because the consequences were so severe.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Also... if you guys enjoyed not reading my conversation about teaching and reception of information across generations... you should also not read the conversation I had with it about hip-hop (which started with... "tell me about g-funk") that went on for about 6 pages.

G-funk sounds like a foot infection.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I think it's less people not being fascinated with discovery and more just nobody wanted to read some random guy's off-topic multi-paragraph conversation with an AI.

I didn't say that if you don't read my post you lack fascination and discovery. I'm not going to bother re-explaining what I actually said, becuase it was already pretty straightforward the first time I said it.

Seriously, people. Read it or don't read it. It's really not anything earth-shattering. It was just I read a post in this thread that gave me an idea, and then I thought the ensuing conversation I had about that idea (and the fact there's a tool that even allows for that to happen) was pretty neat.

That's all it is. I don't expect a lot of people to read it, and I do apologise for how long it initially was before I added the spoiler tags, but what's funny (at least to me) are the "I didn't read it, but here's what I think of it anyway..." responses. (and they'd be funny to you too, if you read my post) (edit: not "haha" funny... more like, "you don't say..." funny)

Anyway, dont mind me. Please carry on with your speculative back-and-forths about this thing that happened that none of you actually know anything factual about.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Locke

G-funk sounds like a foot infection.

...caused by the over-absorbtion of the type of electrolytes found in Gatorade.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I think it's less people not being fascinated with discovery and more just nobody wanted to read some random guy's off-topic multi-paragraph conversation with an AI.

Exactly. Whenever I see a post with chatgpt or any ai, I just scroll on by. At least it's not as common as when it first came out

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

...caused by the over-absorbtion of the type of electrolytes found in Gatorade.

Gatoraders!

Mount up

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

...caused by the over-absorbtion of the type of electrolytes found in Gatorade.

What plants crave!

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Locke

What plants crave!

Idiocracy reference? lol

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Locke

G-funk sounds like a foot infection.

Or slang for gonorrhoea.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I've added spoiler tags so it takes less time to ignore it all now.

PS. it's (if you extrapolate) about how we've devolved from fascination, discovery and learning allll the way down to "tldr" ... so, these responses are quite apt, lol.

I read some of it - and it seems like the discussion is about things that were important in older and your own life aren't as important to younger generations.

That's basically the passing of time.

99% of us lived through 9/11 and it changed a ton of our lives and is a world defining thing for us. But if I was born in 2002 and turning 22 - its history to me, just like the Vietnam War or whatever in the 60's was a 30 minute history class to me and you but may have been world changing for your parents. Just like in 20 years - kids being born now will not give a damn about Covid but for the current 20 year olds - it will define their life.