2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Literally going into the other market trying to drive down price. They do that #### all the time with players the Leafs are targeting.

"Oh they don't really need them"
"It isn't a good fit"
"The player isn't what they're looking for"

Still remember when they were circling Miller two years ago, three or four radio hits from TSN guys on local radio and Donnie and Dhali talking about how of they make that move they shouldn't be giving up a lot for that kind of player.

Question: in this scenario do we think the GM of a hockey team is going to take less for a player because some media types said it wasn’t a great fit? I get having a theory that fans might take that bait but a GM is listening to the radio like “damn they don’t need Marky, guess I better drop my price.”?

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well maybe you would believe Dubas who came out and said he was upset the details of the deal were leaked?

The Fleury and Hagel for Knies+ was rumoured value but the multiple 1sts is a new one.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by bluejays

The Fleury and Hagel for Knies+ was rumoured value but the multiple 1sts is a new one.

No it isn't, that was always what was reported.

[MrMike]

Still it seems like close value. Hagel got traded for two first round picks. and Mrazek is a cap dump, so it seems very close to the value.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No it isn't, that was always what was reported.

There were conflicting reports:


https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/...d-to-the-media

Interestingly enough though, reports leaked by the media indicated that the Toronto Maple Leafs were deep in discussions with the Blackhawks to acquire Fleury before the veteran netminder was ultimately dealt to the Wild. According to TSN insider Darren Dreger the proposed deal from the Leafs was Fleury and forward Brandon Hagel in exchange for Petr Mrazek, Matthew Knies and a 1st round pick.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/lea...210639442.html

General managers Kyle Dubas and Kyle Davidson were reportedly discussing a deal that would have seen Fleury, along with Brandon Hagel, head to the Leafs. Prospect Matthew Knies was expected to be heading the other way along with a few other pieces

[dissentowner]

Fair enough. Regardless that would be a nice package for Markstrom.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Fair enough. Regardless that would be a nice package for Markstrom.

That would be an awesome package for Markstrom. I'd kiss Conroy if he could pull that off.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No it isn't, that was always what was reported.

Annd Fleury was traded to the wild for a second that could become a first (It didn't)

Hagel was traded for two firsts, Boris Katchouk and Taylor Raddysh

Mrazek was traded WITH a first for a second round pick.

So Fleury and Hagel for Mrazek Knies and two first round picks is actually LESS value than everything they actually got in return. Sounds like a dead on value comparison though.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It doesn't affect the league in this situation because the Leafs so have the cap room to do it but what happens when a team doesn't have the cap room and keeps a guy on IR because the rookie they brought up is killing it and they would rather have him instead of having to send him down for a guy they don't really want anymore? Are we ok if a guy is not working out out you can just put him on IR to open up a roster spot? That is the problem.

Again, unless LTIR is triggered, there is no impact here.

A player on IR (in the case, Reaves) is still using up one of the 23 roster spots. The rookie that's killing it in your example, is also one of the 13 roster spots. Taking Reaves off IR does not impact your rookie, or the 23 man roster in any way.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Again, unless LTIR is triggered, there is no impact here.

A player on IR (in the case, Reaves) is still using up one of the 23 roster spots. The rookie that's killing it in your example, is also one of the 13 roster spots. Taking Reaves off IR does not impact your rookie, or the 23 man roster in any way.

You are wrong. Reaves does not count as one of the 23 roster spots.
https://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26377

[Mr.Coffee]

Flames should be capitalizing on Markstrom now that a) there appears to be market demand that could be leveraged, b) the inconsistent nature of goalies, and so they’d likely be selling high, c) to (depending on the trade) get some cap relief, and d) clear up the confusion and problem they have with too many goalies. Wolf should be brought up as permanent back-up and introduced to more NHL hockey- he’s accomplished everything he can at the AHL level and is ready, and Vladar can shoulder the load.

Further, extra losses with theoretically worse goaltending doesn’t hurt the upcoming draft positioning (don’t hate me for speaking strategic truths).

I know publicly they’re positioning with other NHL execs that “the price is super high”, but- also- don’t be too greedy. Just cash in nicely now.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are wrong. Reaves does not count as one of the 23 roster spots.
https://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26377

On cap friendly, he is listed on the active, 23-man roster.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

On cap friendly, he is listed on the active, 23-man roster.

It says he was cleared to play yesterday.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1749977907475206580

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Flames should be capitalizing on Markstrom now that a) there appears to be market demand that could be leveraged, b) the inconsistent nature of goalies, and so they’d likely be selling high, c) to (depending on the trade) get some cap relief, and d) clear up the confusion and problem they have with too many goalies. Wolf should be brought up as permanent back-up and introduced to more NHL hockey- he’s accomplished everything he can at the AHL level and is ready, and Vladar can shoulder the load.

Further, extra losses with theoretically worse goaltending doesn’t hurt the upcoming draft positioning (don’t hate me for speaking strategic truths).

I know publicly they’re positioning with other NHL execs that “the price is super high”, but- also- don’t be too greedy. Just cash in nicely now.

Markstrom has a massive say in this. if he doesn't want to go - he doesn't go.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

It says he was cleared to play yesterday.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1749977907475206580

Interesting timing too how Reeves says that to the media and all of the sudden he is off IR.

[Enoch Root]

Also coinciding with the fact that he is now healthy

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Flames should be capitalizing on Markstrom now that a) there appears to be market demand that could be leveraged, b) the inconsistent nature of goalies, and so they’d likely be selling high, c) to (depending on the trade) get some cap relief, and d) clear up the confusion and problem they have with too many goalies. Wolf should be brought up as permanent back-up and introduced to more NHL hockey- he’s accomplished everything he can at the AHL level and is ready, and Vladar can shoulder the load.

Further, extra losses with theoretically worse goaltending doesn’t hurt the upcoming draft positioning (don’t hate me for speaking strategic truths).

I know publicly they’re positioning with other NHL execs that “the price is super high”, but- also- don’t be too greedy. Just cash in nicely now.

The flames definitely should.

But they almost certainly won't, because hey we might be able to fight for a playoff spot next season.

Selling high on Markstrom would fully renew my faith in this organization. It would show some guts and foresight.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Also coinciding with the fact that he is now healthy

He has been healthy for two weeks according to what he told SN. You sure seem hell bent on defending the Leafs here.

[Manhattanboy]

Time for Conroy and Company LLC to get to work.

Three bad home losses in a row to TOR, EDM and STL while SEA, AZ and STL continue to put up points is pretty much all she writes as far as playoff chances go.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Flames should be capitalizing on Markstrom now that a) there appears to be market demand that could be leveraged, b) the inconsistent nature of goalies, and so they’d likely be selling high, c) to (depending on the trade) get some cap relief, and d) clear up the confusion and problem they have with too many goalies. Wolf should be brought up as permanent back-up and introduced to more NHL hockey- he’s accomplished everything he can at the AHL level and is ready, and Vladar can shoulder the load.

Further, extra losses with theoretically worse goaltending doesn’t hurt the upcoming draft positioning (don’t hate me for speaking strategic truths).

I know publicly they’re positioning with other NHL execs that “the price is super high”, but- also- don’t be too greedy. Just cash in nicely now.

I don't think there will be another shot like there is right now to cash in like they can.

Value is probably at its peak. Between age and the team getting worse short term, this is the highest value JM will have over the remainder of his contract.