American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[activeStick]

New Hampshire primaries tonight. Will be interesting to see the results between Haley and Trump with Desantis out now as Haley has been campaigning hard in NH and has a solid lead in polls.

On the Democrat side, Biden isn't even on the ballot due to some beef between the DNC and state officials. Would be a big boost if Biden still wins with write-ins.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/new-ha...iden-1.7087378

[Azure]

Hilarious reading the responses here, because it is the EXACT response that Democrats in the US are having.

Completely caught up in their hatred for Trump to the point where they can't admit that their own policies actually matter to voters, and if they would clean up the issues that they are dealing with they would get more votes.

MAGA AMGAMAMGAM MAGAA!@#!@# CULT MASH!ASDF CULT!!!

Sad & pathetic to watch.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Azure

Hilarious reading the responses here, because it is the EXACT response that Democrats in the US are having.

Completely caught up in their hatred for Trump to the point where they can't admit that their own policies actually matter to voters, and if they would clean up the issues that they are dealing with they would get more votes.

MAGA AMGAMAMGAM MAGAA!@#!@# CULT MASH!ASDF CULT!!!

Sad & pathetic to watch.

Yup, people are unhappy. rubecube will tell you how unhappy people are.

Democrats response: you're not allowed to be unhappy or else Hitler will get back into power. Policies don't matter when democracy is on the line!

[GioforPM]

LOL - exactly what Biden "policies" are "major people" complaining about? The ones which have improved the economy or the ones which have preserved health care?

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

I think it's great for Trump to be leading at this stage so that anyone who cares about democracy gets off their ass in November.

I’m no poll conspiracy theorist but this is one set of polls I don’t believe.

Biden won by, what, eight million votes last election, the U.S. economy is doing well, and with all of Trump’s legal woes, I’m not buying that there will be a sudden rush to Trump. I think Biden wins handily, although I am a bit nervous because of what’s at stake.

My friend hates Trump as I do but thinks he’ll walk away with this. I would have accepted his offer of a $1,000 bet but his wife protested so we bet $100. I think there’s a very good chance that one of three things happens: Biden wins, Trump dies before the election, or Trump is incarcerated. The first is most likely, but I haven’t ruled out the other two possibilities.

[activeStick]

In other news, has anyone been following the Texas razor wire stuff? My understanding is that the state of Texas put up razor wire along its borders in the name of protecting their state from illegal migrants, and the federal government has now proceeded to cut down and remove this razor wire. Texas is taking the federal government to court, and while the court gets ready to take the case, the Supreme Court has already ruled that the federal government can continue to cut everything in the meantime. Governor Abbott - "this is not over!!"

What a wild country.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Azure

Hilarious reading the responses here, because it is the EXACT response that Democrats in the US are having.

Completely caught up in their hatred for Trump to the point where they can't admit that their own policies actually matter to voters, and if they would clean up the issues that they are dealing with they would get more votes.

MAGA AMGAMAMGAM MAGAA!@#!@# CULT MASH!ASDF CULT!!!

Sad & pathetic to watch.

It's not hilarious. It's a conclusion based on reality.

MAGA and Trump are that bad. I remember this little insurrection thing he started. I remember closed-door bootlicking sessions with Putin. I remember complete disregard for law, order and civility. I remember racism. I remember Trump emboldening white supremacists. I remember rampant nepotism and incompetence. I remember a total lack of understanding of issues and global politics. I remember constant lies. I remember legitimate impeachments that should have ended him.

He only plans to get worse, too, and punish those who tried to hold him to account. He complains about witch hunts, but has also told us he plans to initiate witch hunts for his political rivals on day one.

It's pathetic you have been so duped by obvious misinformation that you have completely read reality wrong. Honestly, it's a tip that you may not be one of our finest minds.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

That won't work either. Seth Myers, Colbert, all these late night hosts have wit and "acid tongues" and have zero appeal outside of the standard upper middle class predominantly white college educated types who make up their demographic. It just comes off as smug. Obama could thread that needle better than anyone, and what do they think of him?

Plus, good luck finding another Obama.

Yeah, I should have ended my post with, 'but good luck finding that person.'

I'm not hopeful.

If nothing major changes, Trump is the winner, IMO. I don't see anybody who has the wit and charisma to take Trump down, but I do believe that's the only type of guy who can.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Michelle

Why? She’s just a familiar name.

[undercoverbrother]

I think the biggest issue with voting in the US is the family tribalism of voting.

People vote for "their party" because their daddy did and their daddy's daddy did, etc.

I'm not sure that level of generational loyalty exists in Canada.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Why? She’s just a familiar name.

I've read some of Michelle's writings and I just don't think she could handle the hate and mental load of the constant attacks she'd face. It'd crush her...she's just too human for such a shtty job.

Not to mention Hillary was a way better candidate and she couldn't make it happen.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

LOL - exactly what Biden "policies" are "major people" complaining about? The ones which have improved the economy or the ones which have preserved health care?

Well, his approval rating is in he low 30s. Voters are especially dour about the economy and the high price of everything compared with before the pandemic. Fair or not, Biden is getting the blame. Inflation and cost of living is the number one issue among voters by a mile. Again, voters don't have the macro view of 24 hour new cycles and message boards. They vote based on the issue right in front of them, the prices at the grocery store. To those people, Democrats talking about this strong economy and things moving in the right direction sounds like they're living somewhere else.

Bidenomics doesn't really have strong answers to people's worries and people can't differentiate it from Trump's economic policies.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I think the biggest issue with voting in the US is the family tribalism of voting.

People vote for "their party" because their daddy did and their daddy's daddy did, etc.

I'm not sure that level of generational loyalty exists in Canada.

It does with Alberta conservatives. There are normal dudes that voted Kenney over Notley just because orange bad. And now Smith over Notley because orange bad.

Conservatives don't like change. It's sorta their whole thing. So they just vote dumb sht over and over.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

It does with Alberta conservatives. There are normal dudes that voted Kenney over Notley just because orange bad. And now Smith over Notley because orange bad.

Conservatives don't like change. It's sorta their whole thing. So they just vote dumb sht over and over.

Yeah you might be right, I didn't think of it in that aspect.

But I'm not sure if it from it being their "Daddy's party".

Maybe I should apply my criteria for voting, who is the least biggest #######.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

The cult is only 30ish percent. There are a lot of people in the middle unhappy with Biden and not unhappy enough about Trump and don't believe all the noise about losing democracy. Most voters aren't watching the continuous new cycles or really into politics. They are one issue voters in their own little world.

How did Trump defeat Hillary in the first place?

Ya, and the rest are so blindly Republican because of their religious affiliation they'll look past anything the orange ogre says and does, no matter how reprehensible, "Because God", which doesn't even make sense, but #### it, sense doesn't matter anymore.

You could just admit that people have become so irrational it doesn't matter who or what is running for the Republicans, they'll vote for it anyway, even if it gores them and eats their children. "Ya, but I could never vote for a Democrat!" They literally cheer on the deaths of their family members because they were brave enough to not get vaccinated, or let their daughters die from a medically dangerous and deadly pregnancy, over the thought of allowing a abortions.

You pretend that policy matters, even after Trump won the presidency. That's just being delusional. Time to accept it.

[photon]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I’m no poll conspiracy theorist but this is one set of polls I don’t believe.

Biden won by, what, eight million votes last election, the U.S. economy is doing well, and with all of Trump’s legal woes, I’m not buying that there will be a sudden rush to Trump.

Biden won the popular vote by 8 million votes.

Biden won the election by less than 45,000 votes across 3 swing states.

Throw in lack of enthusiasm for Biden, increased voter suppression efforts by Republicans, etc it's easy to imagine a Biden loss after turnout shifts a fraction of a percent across a few swing states.

There are things that can work in Biden's favour as well, but unless something drastic happens like a Trump conviction nothing really has changed since 2020.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I’m no poll conspiracy theorist but this is one set of polls I don’t believe.

Biden won by, what, eight million votes last election, the U.S. economy is doing well, and with all of Trump’s legal woes, I’m not buying that there will be a sudden rush to Trump. I think Biden wins handily, although I am a bit nervous because of what’s at stake.

My friend hates Trump as I do but thinks he’ll walk away with this. I would have accepted his offer of a $1,000 bet but his wife protested so we bet $100. I think there’s a very good chance that one of three things happens: Biden wins, Trump dies before the election, or Trump is incarcerated. The first is most likely, but I haven’t ruled out the other two possibilities.

I'll bet you the other $900 if you are up for it.

Edit to add: My bet is contingent upon the election coming down to Trump v Biden. If that's the case, I bet you $900 Trump wins (if you want to take that bet). And by win, I mean Trump becomes the next president, which I think happens whether we end up believing he wins or not. Obviously he'll lose the popular vote as Republicans basically always do, but even if there is a close call Trump is walking away with it IMO.

[anyonebutedmonton]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Well, his approval rating is in he low 30s. Voters are especially dour about the economy and the high price of everything compared with before the pandemic. Fair or not, Biden is getting the blame. Inflation and cost of living is the number one issue among voters by a mile. Again, voters don't have the macro view of 24 hour new cycles and message boards. They vote based on the issue right in front of them, the prices at the grocery store. To those people, Democrats talking about this strong economy and things moving in the right direction sounds like they're living somewhere else.

Bidenomics doesn't really have strong answers to people's worries and people can't differentiate it from Trump's economic policies.

The sad thing about the issues that voters are focusing on (i.e., inflation) is that Republican control only worsens these issues. The economy is hot, but the majority of the wealth is concentrated at the top, meaning stagnant wages really hurt when you go to the grocery store. This will only worsen with Republican control.

If anything, policy needs to shift further left to see any real gains from the economy in the hands of the middle class. Instead, they seem to be rejecting the democratics in favour of the right-wing Republicans, who have proven time and again that they will favour the wealthy at the expense of the middle class.

[nik-]

The scariest thing isn't how close the margin of victory was last election. The scariest thing is that after 4 years of Trump 12 million additional people voted for him in 2020.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by nik-

The scariest thing isn't how close the margin of victory was last election. The scariest thing is that after 4 years of Trump 12 million additional people voted for him in 2020.

I could be wrong but I think the Abortion issue is going to be a huge factor as to who gets in as President.