American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by craigwd

I just don't get the American political system.
So the dude spends millions upon millions, takes part in dozens of debates......and lasts for one caucus; where 99.999% of people don't actually cast a ballot.


So every supporter that planned to vote for him in the other 49 states, gets screwed from their chance.


What an effed up system.


Just hold one massive primary and be done with it.

In order to become president of the most powerful nation on earth, you almost always have to have a tiny group of white people put your name in a paper bag. You can't make this up.

[photon]

Originally Posted by timun

There are people out there who think "Trump is more 'there' than Biden is"? Trump has been incoherently rambling in pretty much every public appearance he's made for years now.

For some reason the media mostly ignores Trump's slurring and incoherence.

[timun]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Well, yeah I guess you're calling me out haha but yes, that's what I think. Just my opinion, of course.

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Why?

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by photon

For some reason the media mostly ignores Trump's slurring and incoherence.

That's a good thing. Professional journalists should be paying attention to the awful stuff he says when he's coherent.

[timun]

Originally Posted by photon

For some reason the media mostly ignores Trump's slurring and incoherence.

Because a lot of media are right-wing ###holes who want a Trump presidency. Witness Fox News, still miraculously the biggest cable news channel—the most watched cable channel overall, in fact—in the United States. They actively cheer on a Trump re-election, while misrepresenting themselves as being "fair and balanced" unlike "the Mainstream Media". Never mind the fact they are "the Mainstream Media".

[Ped]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Well, yeah I guess you're calling me out haha but yes, that's what I think. Just my opinion, of course.

Have your heard any of Trump's recent speeches? They're a mess.

[photon]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

That's a good thing. Professional journalists should be paying attention to the awful stuff he says when he's coherent.

Because that's working so well...

I mean they do report the awful coherent stuff. It's all baked in for Trump anyway, media reporting on his incoherence won't change his support at all.

Polls do say a lot of people wouldn't vote for Trump if he's convicted of something, but the chances that one of the court cases finishes by the election seems to go down daily.

Meanwhile young people will dislike Biden's response to Israel/Hamas, stay away, and hand the country to Trump. That's my prediction anyway.

[activeStick]

I watch a ton of US politics and yup, I've definitely seen Trumps numerous slip ups. I never said that Trump wasn't slipping up when speaking, just that imo, Biden has been worse. I've seen a lot of times when Biden is sort of just standing there staring at something and not walking, which I haven't seen from Trump. This is getting dumb though haha I'm not an expert, was just saying that imo, they're both waaaaay past their best before dates to be a US President but that Biden, I think is worse.

[flylock shox]

When Biden was elected I had in mind that he would spend 4 years working diligently away on the nation's problems while a younger candidate was given the limelight and the public face of the administration for all but the major speeches etc. In essence, I thought Biden's election was both a way to save American democracy while buying time to audition his successor. I don't know what the Democrats were planning, but the fact they haven't identified an heir apparent is a monumental failing that puts their democracy back on the brink again.

I hope the Dems go all out on advertising and painting Trump as the danger he is. I think it will be critical to win that battle if Biden remains the candidate.

[cral12]

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[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I watch a ton of US politics and yup, I've definitely seen Trumps numerous slip ups. I never said that Trump wasn't slipping up when speaking, just that imo, Biden has been worse. I've seen a lot of times when Biden is sort of just standing there staring at something and not walking, which I haven't seen from Trump. This is getting dumb though haha I'm not an expert, was just saying that imo, they're both waaaaay past their best before dates to be a US President but that Biden, I think is worse.

I'd take a blind def dumb Biden over a living breathing Trump any day of the week.

[Ped]

Joe Biden could die tomorrow, and they could trot out his corpse for election day, and he still would make a better president than Donald Trump. Full stop. Trump is quite possibly one of hte most reprehensible people to ever hold office, and he's flat-out said that he wants to have a dictatorship, and he admires China's and Russia's style of government. He hasn't even denied breaking the law, just that he's immune from the consequences of it. Not to mention everything else he's said, done, and inspired in his cult.


This should not even be a debate.

[Azure]

Who is debating it?

Most polls show Trump as being ahead.
Things in the US aren't as rosy as Biden says they are.
Lots of major people are coming out saying that Biden's policies are a concern.

Everything is lining up so that Trump has another shot at the Whitehouse, and the Democrats have their head stuck in the sand about it.

What exactly is Biden going to campaign on that makes things change? Immigration? Foreign policy?

[direwolf]

It's a simple choice. You either want your country to become a fascist dicatorship, or you don't. I'd like to think that most Americans would rather preserve U.S. democracy. Judging by the results of 2020, I still have a tiny shred of faith that people will eventually do the right thing when the time comes.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Azure

Who is debating it?

Most polls show Trump as being ahead.
Things in the US aren't as rosy as Biden says they are.
Lots of major people are coming out saying that Biden's policies are a concern.

Everything is lining up so that Trump has another shot at the Whitehouse, and the Democrats have their head stuck in the sand about it.

What exactly is Biden going to campaign on that makes things change? Immigration? Foreign policy?

I think it's great for Trump to be leading at this stage so that anyone who cares about democracy gets off their ass in November. There were a lot of ladies interviewed at the women's marches in 2017 who didn't vote in 2016 because they thought Hillary was a sure thing.

Biden doesn't need to campaign on anything other than "I'm not Trump".
The GOP doesn't care about policy. They are a populist party now - a personality cult. Desantis proved it - "Trump Lite" doesn't fly.

Haley is about to get slaughtered, and it will be the end of the traditional small govt conservative GOP that cared about policy.

At the end of the day - the ultra religious GOP base got their wish. Stacking the Supreme Court, Roe v Wade overturned and state by state determinations of abortion. It resulted in the mid-term defeats of many Republicans who thought they were in red safe states, and has massively brought out the vote amongst college educated women.

Honestly the man who lost the presidency and both houses last time is exactly who I would want to run against if I were Biden. IMO he doesn't need to change a thing.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Azure

Who is debating it?

Most polls show Trump as being ahead.
Things in the US aren't as rosy as Biden says they are.
Lots of major people are coming out saying that Biden's policies are a concern.

Everything is lining up so that Trump has another shot at the Whitehouse, and the Democrats have their head stuck in the sand about it.

What exactly is Biden going to campaign on that makes things change? Immigration? Foreign policy?

No they don't, there's just not a lot you can do against a cult:

• The cult doesn't care about truth.
• The cult doesn't care about policies.
• Participation/membership in the cult can be intoxicating.
• Lack of participation/membership can lead to being ostracized in many areas/communities.
• The cult has been duped and has shown an increasing willingness to accept lies.

Biden and his team counter the false narrative put out by Trump and his supporters all the time. You ever seen one of their white house press briefings? It does nothing. It's boring, uninteresting and lacks the fire and pizzazz of Trump's BS.

I agree Biden is old and comes across as pretty lame. As has been discussed ad nauseum, though, he can put together a very competent team to run the country. Trump cannot. Cultists don't care.

So what can Democrats do? You're out of your mind if you think they're ignoring reality. Where is the democrats' charismatic candidate that can turn this around? I'm not seeing anyone step up yet. And the clock is ticking for that person to emerge and gain momentum.

My hope is somebody who can get on a debate stage and humiliate Trump with zingers. That's Trump's weak spot. Throw him off kilter with a cutting barb and then move onto quick little point-form policy notes and stop quickly. Look at Hillary. IMO she nailed the debates because she had well-articulated policies and past successes that proved she was a great candidate. Trump stalked her around the stage breathing heavy and acting like a weirdo and so cultists think he won the debates.

You're left with policy meaning nothing to the voters. Intelligence means nothing. Ability to govern means nothing. Ability to unite people/the country means nothing. If people want a bullying fk-face selfish prck then Trump is their guy. Unfortunately, that's clearly what a lot of people want. So what do the Democrats do? They don't have their head in the sand, there is just limited defense options against him.

I think with all the legal battles and stress on him, hoping for an implosion, heart attack or conviction isn't the worst right now, but that's the long shot to him not becoming president. Still fine in the now, but not for much longer (I'm talking a month or two more and they'll have to pick a plan and go all in on it).

My only thought for the democrats is to find your most charismatic, acid-tongued guy and work on humiliating Trump with sarcasm and humor to embarrass him. That, sadly, is a long-shot, too. I don't think Biden can take him if the election were to be tomorrow. So that's a loss. That requires somebody else, so let's find that guy (and I do mean guy...white guy, specifically. the voters in that country are not mentally equipped to vote for a woman or a non-white...Trump will eat them for lunch).

[GirlySports]

The cult is only 30ish percent. There are a lot of people in the middle unhappy with Biden and not unhappy enough about Trump and don't believe all the noise about losing democracy. Most voters aren't watching the continuous new cycles or really into politics. They are one issue voters in their own little world.

How did Trump defeat Hillary in the first place?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Sliver

My only thought for the democrats is to find your most charismatic, acid-tongued guy and work on humiliating Trump with sarcasm and humor to embarrass him.

That won't work either. Seth Myers, Colbert, all these late night hosts have wit and "acid tongues" and have zero appeal outside of the standard upper middle class predominantly white college educated types who make up their demographic. It just comes off as smug. Obama could thread that needle better than anyone, and what do they think of him?

Plus, good luck finding another Obama.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

How did Trump defeat Hillary in the first place?

Something something FBI something something emails.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

That won't work either. Seth Myers, Colbert, all these late night hosts have wit and "acid tongues" and have zero appeal outside of the standard upper middle class predominantly white college educated types who make up their demographic. It just comes off as smug. Obama could thread that needle better than anyone, and what do they think of him?

Plus, good luck finding another Obama.

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