2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Nope. Wouldn't have given a ####. Only care about what is the Flames jersey. I'm not one of those losers who ruminates over the performance of ex-players once they move on. Don't give a #### about the Tkachuks, Bennets, Gaudreaus or any other ex-Flame. They no longer matter and neither does their performance elsewhere. Even when the Flames made some of the worst trades in history I haven't cared about what the ex-Flames did on their new teams. As soon as Gilmour was dealt, he no longer mattered. As soon as Nieuwendyk was dealt, he no longer mattered. As soon as Fleury and Iginla were dealt, neither of them mattered. Didn't follow their performance and didn't talk about it. Only care what happens to the Calgary Flames and once you're no longer a Flame you don't register. Don't have time for that tomfoolery.

Okay, so what about the players that would have still been here? Does Tkachuk score 40 and 100 pts? Lindolm? Or does that disastrous trade you were advocating so strongly for completely crater the value of the remaining asset?

If this were the case the other trash proposal for Tkachuk you were on about may have made sense. Believe it was Purunivich, 1st and Tarasenko?

‘Better than what they got’ right?….sure.

[Vinny01]

I thought the Trade was Frost, Voracek and Myers I don’t think there was a pick involved. We all told Lanny it was a trash deal at the time. Seeing that Frost is trade bait, Myers was waived multiple times and Voracek was LTIRetired it confirms it would have been a trash trade today especially when Johnny would go for 115pts in his contract year.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I thought the Trade was Frost, Voracek and Myers I don’t think there was a pick involved. We all told Lanny it was a trash deal at the time. Seeing that Frost is trade bait, Myers was waived multiple times and Voracek was LTIRetired it confirms it would have been a trash trade today especially when Johnny would go for 115pts in his contract year.

Yes, I believe you’re right. It was Meyers. Even worse. He may have said one or the other but he was on about it for some time. It was time to rebuild and Frost was the guy, or one of, to do it around.

In any event it was a terrible idea but there is no way Lanny would ever acknowledge that. Everyone else is the moron and Lanny has it right. Always.

Flames retain salary? BS. Let’s see it, until then then, you’re naive and don’t have the slightest idea of what you’re talking about.

No team will ever trade A level prospects.

There’s never any acknowledgement of what he doesn’t know, which based on his trade proposals, is a lot.

[Pickle Juice]

So I guess Friedman mentioned Van as a potential option for Lindholm last night? Not sure if this was mentioned yet, but based on this possibility I'm curious what a trade might look like from them?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Okay, so what about the players that would have still been here? Does Tkachuk score 40 and 100 pts? Lindolm? Or does that disastrous trade you were advocating so strongly for completely crater the value of the remaining asset?

We don't know. Voracek was still a very capable winger and a great setup man. He may well have filled the gap, we don't know. What we did know was Treliving was mismanaging the situation and where it was headed. He could have got Gaudreau for a discount during that off season and balked at it. When that didn't happen it should have been an immediate trade situation because he surrendered control to the player and brought zero return into the mix. Huge mistake. Massive mistake. Better to have those two birds in the hand (three in this case) than none in the bush.

If this were the case the other trash proposal for Tkachuk you were on about may have made sense. Believe it was Purunivich, 1st and Tarasenko?

Perunovich was one of the highest regarded prospects at the time. That's the roll of the dice you take with picks and prospects. Perunovich had ripped up college hockey and then did the same in the AHL. His size was an issue, but at the time small defensemen were en vogue. Tarasenko is still a very productive player (30 points in 39 games and +13 on a -13 team). For comparison, Elias Lindholm has 30 points in 46 games and is -9 on -3 team and considered the best player available in trade. That 1st rounder would have been very welcomed in a draft where ended up with three assets, two of which seem to be problems (rape charges for Ronni and attitude issues with Littler). Since we're staring a rebuild in the face (this was obvious three or four seasons ago) it would have been beneficial to have those 1st round picks.

The other issue with prospects is you have accept there are some bumps along the way and you take the good with the bad. Perunovich has been stuck behind a bunch of vets. Frost ran into some injury issues (Daniel Tkachuk territory) then got sat in favor of vets. He was the Flyers' best player down the stretch last year and then got in the doghouse early on this year with Tortorella but has recently returned to form and has been playing great for the team (PPG for January and 12 points in last 14 games).

‘Better than what they got’ right?….sure.

And better than where we are as an organization today. I wonder what navel gazing and retrospect you'll have in two or three years after this UFA class has been dealt with? You're great at critiquing others but bring nothing to the table as far as real thoughts and discussion about options.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

So I guess Friedman mentioned Van as a potential option for Lindholm last night? Not sure if this was mentioned yet, but based on this possibility I'm curious what a trade might look like from them?

I’d imagine a first and a mid-prospect. I don’t think we’re going to get much more than that from anyone for Lindholm. He’s been outright poor this season, and the acquiring team will be banking on his previous seasons and reputation.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1748950730223005934

We’re lucky we did not extend him.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

So I guess Friedman mentioned Van as a potential option for Lindholm last night? Not sure if this was mentioned yet, but based on this possibility I'm curious what a trade might look like from them?

Kuzmenko, Brzustewicz and a first round pick. Maybe if there is value in taking on Kuzmenko and eating some Lindholm salary they can get another prospect like the defenceman Elias Lindholm.

[Hackey]

A later 1st and an okay prospect is about the value I'm expecting for Lindholm. It likely won't be a great return but at least we didn't get stuck giving him 8 years and 9 million.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Hackey

A later 1st and an okay prospect is about the value I'm expecting for Lindholm. It likely won't be a great return but at least we didn't get stuck giving him 8 years and 9 million.

Very realistic. Everyone pining for Byram plus is dreaming. If they won’t shake Byram loose for Cutter Gauthier why are they doing this for a rental?

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't think his performance this year is going to impact the return. In the right situation he could put a team over the top with his ability to play wing as well. He plays both special teams and is good at draws.

He clearly isn't interested in giving it his all here. That's going to cost him money, but I don't think our return will suck.

A 1st a top prospect and maybe a cap dump with another later round pick.

[howard_the_duck]

More at-bats for our amateur scouting is a good thing. No boat anchor contract is huge in a cap world. Think of the price you’d have to pay to get rid of that type of contract.

Yes, the return is going to be underwhelming as compared to what it’d be if he played to the level we all know he’s capable of, but ultimately that’s on Lindholm. As much as his play is going to cost the Flames, it’s going to cost him a hell of a lot more.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Very realistic. Everyone pining for Byram plus is dreaming. If they won’t shake Byram loose for Cutter Gauthier why are they doing this for a rental?

How does Cutter help them now?

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

We don't know. Voracek was still a very capable winger and a great setup man. He may well have filled the gap, we don't know. What we did know was Treliving was mismanaging the situation and where it was headed. He could have got Gaudreau for a discount during that off season and balked at it. When that didn't happen it should have been an immediate trade situation because he surrendered control to the player and brought zero return into the mix. Huge mistake. Massive mistake. Better to have those two birds in the hand (three in this case) than none in the bush.



Perunovich was one of the highest regarded prospects at the time. That's the roll of the dice you take with picks and prospects. Perunovich had ripped up college hockey and then did the same in the AHL. His size was an issue, but at the time small defensemen were en vogue. Tarasenko is still a very productive player (30 points in 39 games and +13 on a -13 team). For comparison, Elias Lindholm has 30 points in 46 games and is -9 on -3 team and considered the best player available in trade. That 1st rounder would have been very welcomed in a draft where ended up with three assets, two of which seem to be problems (rape charges for Ronni and attitude issues with Littler). Since we're staring a rebuild in the face (this was obvious three or four seasons ago) it would have been beneficial to have those 1st round picks.

The other issue with prospects is you have accept there are some bumps along the way and you take the good with the bad. Perunovich has been stuck behind a bunch of vets. Frost ran into some injury issues (Daniel Tkachuk territory) then got sat in favor of vets. He was the Flyers' best player down the stretch last year and then got in the doghouse early on this year with Tortorella but has recently returned to form and has been playing great for the team (PPG for January and 12 points in last 14 games).



And better than where we are as an organization today. I wonder what navel gazing and retrospect you'll have in two or three years after this UFA class has been dealt with? You're great at critiquing others but bring nothing to the table as far as real thoughts and discussion about options.

Regardless of if voracek does well in the lineup or not, we would be a better team right now if we had Morgan Frost in the lineup.

Treliving was not proactive and was reactive when it came to dealing with his stars. He was forced into a Tkachuk deal only when it became apparent Tkachuk wouldn’t sign. Didn’t have the same foresight with Gaudreau. Should have been fired the previous offseason or have been dismissed at the same time as Ward.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How does Cutter help them now?

Short answer. He doesn’t.

We will see what the return is but sakic seems the type not to overpay and make shrewd deals. I believe the first and b prospect is likely. Anything more is a bonus.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Regardless of if voracek does well in the lineup or not, we would be a better team right now if we had Morgan Frost in the lineup.

Treliving was not proactive and was reactive when it came to dealing with his stars. He was forced into a Tkachuk deal only when it became apparent Tkachuk wouldn’t sign. Didn’t have the same foresight with Gaudreau. Should have been fired the previous offseason or have been dismissed at the same time as Ward.

We would be a better team right now had Treliving made that trade? What evidence is there to support this?

There's no telling what trajectory that could have set the Flames on but I think it's safe to say they would have immediately been worse and the same cohort, Lanny included, who criticizes the team would have been equally as critical for 'selling low' on Gaudreau at the time.

Amazing that you guys can't seem to recognize the perpetual position/bias you take.

Gaudreau' eventual departure had more to do with Gaudreau's backing out of a verbal agreement at the last hour than it does with Treliving (and Conroy and Maloney) handling of the situation.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Hackey

A later 1st and an okay prospect is about the value I'm expecting for Lindholm. It likely won't be a great return but at least we didn't get stuck giving him 8 years and 9 million.

It’s pretty much what I’ve been expecting for a while now. A home run in my eyes would be a 1st , 2nd and a b prospect. Think some posters really need to temper what the return is. Grade A prospects and players like Byram are not realistic for a rental player.

[Vinny01]

Just looking at the Canucks, Avs, Jets for Lindholm the package including a cap dump, 1st and prospect. I think the Canucks have by far the most intriguing cap dump in Kuzmenko. He could be a guy who fits with Huberdeau and be an impact player on a team that is looking to remain competitive. The 1st between the 3 teams will be similar. Who would the prospect be on the Vancouver side?

Colorado would be looking to dump Johansen most likely and the Flames could test drive him to see if he fits with Huby and look to rebuild some value so he can be flipped next year. Byram is likely the most tantalizing piece that may be available and if he was on the table I think Colorado becomes the clear front runner. He has yet to break out and has been plagued with injury which is why there is risk on both sides and the only reason he would be available is due to these concerns. Girard would also be a solid cap dump the Flames could use especially if they are moving Hanifin.

The Jets would likely want to dump Schmidt who could be a useful stop gap for next year and another asset to flip next year. They have plenty of prospects that would be of interest.

I am ready for the deadline I just want the retooling of this roster to really get going.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Short answer. He doesn’t.

We will see what the return is but sakic seems the type not to overpay and make shrewd deals. I believe the first and b prospect is likely. Anything more is a bonus.

While I'm certain he is involved in the process, worth noting Sakic isn't the GM there any more.

[Vinny01]

Eklund with a blog about the Flyers being buyers and having a lot of cap space to sign guys they acquire next year. Flames were scouting them yesterday so they could be an interesting trade partner.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Amazing that you guys can't seem to recognize the perpetual position/bias you take.

Might want to look in the mirror. The "support management regardless of their incompetence" crowd is more annoying than anything around. You can't even admit that Treliving drove this team over a cliff and then ####ed off to Toronto for his dream job. Can't even admit that. And we have a perpetual position/bias? Just a little bit of the pot calling the kettle black.

Gaudreau' eventual departure had more to do with Gaudreau's backing out of a verbal agreement at the last hour than it does with Treliving (and Conroy and Maloney) handling of the situation.

No. Just no. The Gaudreau situation became an untenable disaster waiting to happen the second Treliving relinquished control and gave it to the player by allowing it to get into the final year of the contract. A small market team has to be ruthless and always maintain control. The second you lose control is the second you assume risk of every bad thing that could possibly happen. Treliving was a fool for doing so. He hurt the team and crushed any chance of building with the core he threw his lot in with. The right play was to extend Gaudreau at the $8.5 he was asking, knowing the cap was going up and would act as a hedge, and not allow the player to get to camp without an extension. But Brad, being the smartest guy in the room, thought he would roll the dice and wait Gaudreau out. Mistake after mistake led to the loss of Gaudreau, Tkachuk, and soon to be Lindholm. Successful teams don't make these mistakes.