Israel declares war on Hamas

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

You’re like a black hole of hate.

Haha ok. war isn’t genocide. Such a hateful evil statement.

Especially a war, you know, initiated by Hamas.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Lol no I haven’t.

I am for Hamas being eradicated in Gaza. Most Israelis are, even Netanyahus biggest critics in Lapid are supportive of the war. I am against the settlements and his overreaching of power amongst other things. We have people like you though who want a ceasefire and to keep Hamas in power to repeat this over and over again.

You should internalize it for someone who defends slogans that call for the genocide of Jews in Israel. But yes you are “pro peace”

The irony of this post is almost too much.

You don’t support Netanyahu, you just support and viciously defend all of his military tactics related to this war, and then turn around and call critics and people defending innocent Palestinians “pro-Hamas” or one of the countless other things you’ve wrongly accused people of. So, it’s not OK for anyone to suggest your support of this war and the specific tactics within it implies support for the government carrying it out, but it’s OK for you to suggest anyone who disagrees with you is pro-Hamas.

Then to wrap it all up, you talk about nuance, are called on the bull####, and prove that calling you on it was 100% correct by proceeding to misrepresent and mock someone who was actually presenting the exact kind of nuance you were pretending you cared about.

Do you even know what the word means?

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The irony of this post is almost too much.

You don’t support Netanyahu, you just support and viciously defend all of his military tactics related to this war, and then turn around and call critics and people defending innocent Palestinians “pro-Hamas” or one of the countless other things you’ve wrongly accused people of. So, it’s not OK for anyone to suggest your support of this war and the specific tactics within it implies support for the government carrying it out, but it’s OK for you to suggest anyone who disagrees with you is pro-Hamas.

Then to wrap it all up, you talk about nuance, are called on the bull####, and prove that calling you on it was 100% correct by proceeding to misrepresent and mock someone who was actually presenting the exact kind of nuance you were pretending you cared about.

Do you even know what the word means?

Yes I support eradicating Hamas, anywhere and everywhere in Gaza. I know you hate that tho. Hamas will cease to exist and maybe that makes you feel a type of way i am not sure. I understand that war is a necessary evil when fighting a force that wants your total destruction. You can hide behind your self righteous attitude all you want but in this region it is kill or be killed. Especially for Israel. You want Israel to use kids gloves when dealing with a Iranian proxy pariah state that continuously wages war.

You defend the slogan that calls for the genocide of all Jews in Israel. You want a ceasefire to keep Hamas in power. Maybe you are not “pro hamas” but you sure like their talking points. You’re very nuanced and non biased.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Haha ok. war isn’t genocide. Such a hateful evil statement.

Especially a war, you know, initiated by Hamas.

G’day mate!

How many times are you going to edit this post?

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

G’day mate!

How many times are you going to edit this post?

How many times are you gonna not say anything at all?

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Beninho

How many times are you gonna not say anything at all?

Other than my view on how your posts come across, I don’t see any value in saying anything else to you. I don’t see why anyone else does either.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Yes I support eradicating Hamas, anywhere and everywhere in Gaza. I know you hate that tho. Hamas will cease to exist and maybe that makes you feel a type of way i am not sure.

You defend the slogan that calls for the genocide of all Jews in Israel. You want a ceasefire to keep Hamas in power. You’re very nuanced and non biased.

Anyone who actually understands the word “nuance” or believes in its importance wouldn’t make a hate-filled post like this that is full of lies and misrepresentation to the point of being derogatory.

You’re an adult, you’re smart enough to know that nothing I’ve said comes even close to suggesting I hate the idea of eradicating Hamas or that them ceasing to exist makes me feel “some type of way” and that I want to keep Hamas in power. You’re a disgusting troll.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Other than my view on how your posts come across, I don’t see any value in saying anything to you. I don’t see why anyone else does either.

Well you already said something, i could care less about how you view my posts

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Anyone who actually understands the word “nuance” or believes in its importance wouldn’t make a hate-filled post like this that is full of lies and misrepresentation to the point of being derogatory.

You’re an adult, you’re smart enough to know that nothing I’ve said comes even close to suggesting I hate the idea of eradicating Hamas or that them ceasing to exist makes me feel “some type of way” and that I want to keep Hamas in power. You’re a disgusting troll.

Haha ok, just when someone defends the slogan “from river to the sea” i tend to make that conclusion. You defend every pro-Palestinian talking point on here, religiously, for years. But yes, nuanced.

Imma leave this echo chamber of a thread before one of you guys reports me again!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Haha ok, just when someone defends the slogan “from river to the sea” i tend to make that conclusion. You defend every pro-Palestinian talking point on here, religiously, for years. But yes, nuanced.

Imma leave this echo chamber of a thread before one of you guys reports me again!

Pro-Palestinians, not Hamas. You pretend to know the difference, so feel free to act like it.

You wouldn’t get reported if you knew how to act and talk to people like a decent human being instead of a hateful idiot.

[Leondros]

To change pace a bit, I am interested in people’s opinions on this.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/invasi...ants-1.6726638

People are being asked to supply their social media accounts, details about scars and other marks on their bodies, information on everyone they are related to — including through marriage — and every passport they have ever had.
The questions are creating anxiety for families who worry their loved ones might have trouble answering after three months largely without internet access, electricity, or even adequate food or drinking water, said Calgary immigration lawyer Yameena Ansari. She lobbied for the program as a member of the Gaza Family Reunification Project.
"It's almost impossible to get these answers when you're talking about people that are running away from their homes," she said in an interview.
The questions are also extremely painful because they suggest that families desperate to flee the violence in Gaza are suspected terrorists, she said.
"This is not a list that we would ask somebody who was coming to Canada on a humanitarian basis," Ansari said.
"To me, these are the questions I would ask somebody if I thought that they were terrorists or a combatant."

On one hand I feel it’s good we are offering an expedited means to help alleviate the problem refugees from Gaza are facing. However, on the flip side I think this should be standard operating procedure for most immigration - even expedited. The risk is we have no intelligence on these individuals and need to know we are not bringing in radicalized people who can create problems down the road.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Pro-Palestinians, not Hamas. You pretend to know the difference, so feel free to act like it.

You wouldn’t get reported if you knew how to act and talk to people like a decent human being instead of a hateful idiot.

I’m almost more frustrated with the amount of “ha ha”s scattered throughout. You guys are talking to a wall who’s proud of it.

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Haha ok, just when someone defends the slogan “from river to the sea” i tend to make that conclusion. You defend every pro-Palestinian talking point on here, religiously, for years. But yes, nuanced.

Imma leave this echo chamber of a thread before one of you guys reports me again!

If someone reports you (again). It is well deserved. Taking a break from this thread is a good idea.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by BowRiverBruinsRule

If someone reports you (again). It is well deserved. Taking a break from this thread is a good idea.

Haha yeah okay *high fives self*
/s

[Geraldsh]

If this thread is any indication of the mindset of the opposing sides - the war will never end.

[Language]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The irony of this post is almost too much.

You don’t support Netanyahu, you just support and viciously defend all of his military tactics related to this war, and then turn around and call critics and people defending innocent Palestinians “pro-Hamas” or one of the countless other things you’ve wrongly accused people of. So, it’s not OK for anyone to suggest your support of this war and the specific tactics within it implies support for the government carrying it out, but it’s OK for you to suggest anyone who disagrees with you is pro-Hamas.

Then to wrap it all up, you talk about nuance, are called on the bull####, and prove that calling you on it was 100% correct by proceeding to misrepresent and mock someone who was actually presenting the exact kind of nuance you were pretending you cared about.

Do you even know what the word means?

This is such a weird take. I thought Benhino’s prior post on his overall thoughts on what is going on, largely align with the majority of Jews and Israelis alike. He said he supports the war effort, as well as an eventual two state solution.

Especially after 10/7, one can definitely be pro Hamas-eradication and war effort to achieve that, but anti-Bibi, just as y’all claim that it’s reasonable to be Pro-Palestine and anti-Hamas. That is a very common view among Israeli society now.

Personally, I believe that Bibi needs to be out, and a more moderate brought in eventually who believes in a two-state solution, albeit one with a de-militarized Gaza/West Bank. This seems to be the overarching position of the U.S that they’ve been touting in the past few days, and seems to be a position that would lead to commitments to re-construct Gaza from other Arab neighbors, as well as continued normalization efforts with Israel (ie. Saudi Arabia).


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[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Leondros

To change pace a bit, I am interested in people’s opinions on this.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/invasi...ants-1.6726638



On one hand I feel it’s good we are offering an expedited means to help alleviate the problem refugees from Gaza are facing. However, on the flip side I think this should be standard operating procedure for most immigration - even expedited. The risk is we have no intelligence on these individuals and need to know we are not bringing in radicalized people who can create problems down the road.

I think that if the government decides to do this, they need to do this for all refugee/immigration applicants. It shouldn't be a process done only for Palestinians fleeing their homes due to an aggressive neighbor wanting to forcefully expel everyone from their homes, that the west happens to support blindly. Unfortunately, I suspect it won't be applied for all applicants and will only be done for Palestinians and others who happen to be citizens of a country from 'the other side'.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Language

This is such a weird take. I thought Benhino’s prior post on his overall thoughts on what is going on, largely align with the majority of Jews and Israelis alike. He said he supports the war effort, as well as an eventual two state solution.

Especially after 10/7, one can definitely be pro Hamas-eradication and war effort to achieve that, but anti-Bibi, just as y’all claim that it’s reasonable to be Pro-Palestine and anti-Hamas. That is a very common view among Israeli society now.

Personally, I believe that Bibi needs to be out, and a more moderate brought in eventually who believes in a two-state solution, albeit one with a de-militarized Gaza/West Bank. This seems to be the overarching position of the U.S that they’ve been touting in the past few days, and seems to be a position that would lead to commitments to re-construct Gaza from other Arab neighbors, as well as continued normalization efforts with Israel (ie. Saudi Arabia).


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Yeah, that’s the point. What are you missing?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Language

Especially after 10/7,one can definitely be pro Hamas-eradication and war effort to achieve that, but anti-Bibi,

You care to clarify that because the one solo thing that EVERYONE in this thread is in agreement with is that we are ALL pro Hamas eradication.

But you appear to lump that in with the war effort as one and the same which for some of us equates to Genocide.

So yes after 10/7 one can absolutely be pro Hamas eradication.
But that doesn't necessarily mean they by default are pro war effort because for many people that equates to being pro Genocide.

Why can one after 10/7 "definitely" be pro war effort? Do the events of 10/7 justify genocide?

Can't people be pro Hamas eradication and anti war effort (genocide)?

[GGG]

I think the question that doesn’t seem to get answered is Does one support the current amount of civilian death and displacement in order to eradicate Hamas.

No one likes to say they support killing civilians and so leave it as a generic statement of supporting the war.

The same way someone might reluctant to say that if Jewish life’s are lost in future terrorist attacks by Hamas because of failed elimination that is an acceptable loss because it saved far more Palestinian civilians then people lost in future attacks. Or at least at a minimum support more IDF deaths to eliminate Hamas in order to save civilians.

But I think there should be far more honest discussions around people’s willingness to sacrifice others who aren’t them.