This league kind of sucks..

[SuperMatt18]

I think the NFL rules get it right TBH.

You need to have a timeout to use a challenge, if the challenge is successful you keep the timeout, if you lose the challenge you lose the timeout.

Also much better to lose a timeout if you're wrong than to take a penalty.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Is this a problem that needs to be solved? I don't recall another time where a coach has called a time out to use like this.

the other 31 saw it work last night and all the praise it is getting...

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Mind you, I think Coleman intended to play the puck with his hand to himself. He just mostly missed.

Coleman said after the game that he didn't even know he made contact with it, and didn't know the challenge was against him.

It hit the back of his glove. That isn't any more a hand pass than a puck hitting the back of your skate is a distinct kicking motion.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Is this a problem that needs to be solved? I don't recall another time where a coach has called a time out to use like this.

Excessive calling of reviews on plays seems to be a problem to me. This isn't about calling a time out to check to see if you want to call a challenge. It's deciding if a call is so missed that it's worth your time out to call.

Under my plan, for instance, last night, Toronto would have been able to call a time out, but not the challenge (since they would have 'used' their challenge for the time out. You get ONE per game. If you use it as a time out, you don't get a challenge. If you use a challenge (for say, an offside challenge) then you don't get a time out.

A rule change like this would make sure that a coach really wants to call one or the other.

[The Yen Man]

One day after to digest it, and I'm still pissed off about this goal being called back. This and the Nashville goal that was actually a hand pass that WAS allowed are the two most infuriating calls this season, that's for sure.

And Keef has such a punchable face.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Coleman said after the game that he didn't even know he made contact with it, and didn't know the challenge was against him.

It hit the back of his glove. That isn't any more a hand pass than a puck hitting the back of your skate is a distinct kicking motion.

This is essentially why Toronto's challenge should've been deemed inconclusive.

The fact that the Nashville goal and Flames no-goal can exist within the same season is brutal.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, the Flames could have challenged that.

Why should the Flames have to challenge that? The original Leafs challenge should have looked at everything from beginning to end.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Why should the Flames have to look at the that? The original challenge should have looked at everything from beginning to end.

That's not how challenges work: something is challenged, and that item is reviewed.

If reviews reviewed every possible item, they would take a very long time.

[Ace]

I'm not sure i like the expanded replay much at all, but I have a proposed amendment if this is the direction he NHL is keeping. Only be able to review infractions that are part of the sequence of the goal, i.e. assists 1 & 2. Anything prior to assist 2 cannot be reviewed. So if you went offside and it was not detected but there were at least 3 passes since then, it can't be reviewed. Same with the hand pass, it was not in the scoring sequence so it's not reviewable.

Seems like a better way than the current system.

EDIT: Just got through the thread and FlamesFan05 makes a similar observation:

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I don’t think you should allow challenge on thing that don’t directly result in the goal.

I mean give me a break you don’t give an assist on everyone that touched the pick. You shouldn’t call back a goal that happened 2 minutes ago when both teams had a chance at the puck

[dieHARDflameZ]

The puck can hit an official and the game goes on because they are part of the play yet when a puck inadvertently hits the back of a guys glove and he doesn’t even realize it, goals get called back.

Think about the stupidity in that.

[dino7c]

We want more goals it's the most exciting thing in hockey

Let's make rules so less of them count though

[Scroopy Noopers]

Imagine if they went ahead with bigger nets or that stupid arched Cros bar they were trying???? Scores would be like lacrosse games. It felt like we were super close to that happening with all the goal talk a few years ago. Now bubble guys are ripping lasers bar down consistently.

[codynw]

I moved to Europe in March of 2023 and I haven't watched an NHL game since. Honestly don't really miss it. Still love hockey, watched the world juniors, been watching the odd PWHL game.. but for many reasons the NHL has made me not really care anymore. I think the homophobia is the biggest reason, but it's not the only one. The gambling ads, the #### refs, the Chicago sexual assault thing (followed by winning Bedard immediately after)... it's all garbage.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The Situation Room in Toronto is run by communists.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by codynw

I moved to Europe in March of 2023 and I haven't watched an NHL game since. Honestly don't really miss it. Still love hockey, watched the world juniors, been watching the odd PWHL game.. but for many reasons the NHL has made me not really care anymore. I think the homophobia is the biggest reason, but it's not the only one. The gambling ads, the #### refs, the Chicago sexual assault thing (followed by winning Bedard immediately after)... it's all garbage.

This is some nice perspective.

If we were moved to some place where NHL happenings were never discussed, how long would we continue tuning in regularly?

Probably within a year we'd become hard casuals. We'd probably aclimate to the culture we live in and the sports and rivalries that are relevant there.

If I reflect honestly, NHL is the only professional level thing going on here in the winter months that connects people socially and is probably much of the reason why i follow, not so much because i actually like the NHL product. I do like the team and am proud to root for my home town but the league in which they play is pretty brutal and it seems like there is a rage-inducing decision (if you allow yourself to care) by the league every other game that leaves me questioning the integrity and consistency of how these games are regulated.

Not to mention the gambling culture, game management, superstar pedestalizing, sexual abuse cover ups, shady coaches allowed second chances, abolishment of special jerseys because of a couple bigots, etc.

It's a very tone deaf league that values the wrong things for this day and age and can't seem to get a universal grasp on its own rules. And what makes it worse is there's no transparency and little accountability.

It's an old boys club that lashes back at people who question its ways or challenge its decisions with valid points over Twitter like children.

Like the franchise and its storied history full of great people. The league however is a circus that hasn't earned any good will from fans.

[PaperBagger'14]

I don’t follow the AHL closely enough but do they have the same issues brought up in this thread? What I’m really asking is are these problems of inconsistency in penalties and goals allowed / disallowed solely an NHL issue or is this a sport wide problem at high levels?

[Barnet Flame]

I live in the UK now and the NHL couldn’t possibly be talked about less even if I lived on Tatooine. Yet I still rabidly follow the Flames, to the extent that I would listen to American Armed Forces radio in the small hour of the night, just to get reports of scores. I subscribed to the International Herald Tribune (as a 16 yr old in Ireland) because it had scores, league standings and short game reports - they also had the CFL standings.

While my love for the Flames has never faded, my faith in the NHL has eroded significantly over the years. The only plus side from last night is that before then, I was getting a little concerned that my hatred of the Leafs was becoming muted. The look on Keefe’s face last night sorted that little problem out.

[Matty81]

Commercialism in sports is a problem affecting the popularity of all the pro leagues across multiple continents, moving it away from the grass roots and distancing it from kids and working class families to extract the maximum dollars at the exact same time those people are being offered a multitude of other entertainment options at a more reasonable price. Guys like Bettman don't care because he will be long gone when that plays out as the boomers die off, their kids start aging and their grandkids generation doesn't value sport like they did.

Bad officiating I can accept, for me the bigger issue with North American sport in particular is the draft system and rewarding failure/encouraging losing. It's a major problem for a ton of reasons and even some of the die hard fans are now cheering against their team and not buying tickets when they know the season is over. Never mind seeing teams like the Oilers rewarded incredibly richly for their ineptitude. Relegation races in soccer are exciting and everybody watches the season right until the end.

I think the sports that will be left standing in 50-100 years will be the ones with the lowest barriers to play and watch the sports for kids. Big concern for hockey is that it is super expensive to play or get a streaming package to watch all the games, hasn't really improved participation among girls while other sports have and increasingly white and upper middle class.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Nm

[Bingo Jr.]

Watching the Forsberg goal against us next to Zary's is just laughable.

Don't see how one counts and the other doesn't.

At the end of the day us as fans just want consistency, no matter what rules they follow just please for the love of God call it equally across the board.