2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Toast_Man]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Would the Flames have to add in a Dube for Duclair swap?

Sharks would definitely expect the Flames to add.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Not necessarily. You have to account for the age difference. Dube fits where the Sharks are in their re-build (early).

[Lanny_McDonald]

Dube is also $700K cheaper.

[Geeoff]

I think the Sharks would rather roll the dice on a 4th round draft pick or something for Duclair than take on Dube. At this point, I think it's more likely like that a draft pick will become an impactful NHLer than Dube unfortunately.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think the Sharks would rather roll the dice on a 4th round draft pick or something for Duclair than take on Dube. At this point, I think it's more likely like that a draft pick will become an impactful NHLer than Dube unfortunately.

I think that's probably incorrect.
Dube is a player that put up 45 points in the NHL just a year ago. There is a far higher chance that he rebounds, than a 4th rounder turning into an NHLer.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Another point, Dube is 18th from his draft class in points.
Of those ahead of him, only two were drafted in the 4th round or later (Jesper Bratt and Brandon Hagel in the 6th).

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think the Sharks would rather roll the dice on a 4th round draft pick or something for Duclair than take on Dube. At this point, I think it's more likely like that a draft pick will become an impactful NHLer than Dube unfortunately.

It's highly unlikely that a 4th round pick does anything at all in the NHL. Dube would 100% be the better gamble.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by VilleN

It's highly unlikely that a 4th round pick does anything at all in the NHL. Dube would 100% be the better gamble.

Though the Flames scouts seem to find some magic in the 4th rnd...

[Flamesfan05]

Well, problem is Dube is making too much for what he is producing. That makes him a negative value.

How much do they have to qualify him next year?

[OILFAN #81]

Preds listening to teams offers on Saros as per TSN. Only would move him if it was a solid deal.

Carolina should be all over that.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think that's probably incorrect.
Dube is a player that put up 45 points in the NHL just a year ago. There is a far higher chance that he rebounds, than a 4th rounder turning into an NHLer.

All the coaches that have been here always complimented his fitness. I remember Sutter always refering to him as a very well coached kid.

He's a great team guy, that often gets mentioned in helping new guys out: He was driving Sharky around town for the first couple of months, guys like Coronato rave about Dube. He's also pretty active in the community.

That said, I can't be hopeful about Dube's game in the NHL. His defensive game remains a glaring weakness, that only gets magnified when he doesn't put up points. I don't think it's because of a lack of effort, but a lack of detail in his game. IMO, Dube needs to put up 40 points, just so he doesn't hurt the team in the grand scale of things.

Maybe we'll see Dube for Duclair, so they can use $1M in cap space for something else, but I don't see a team actively looking to add a Dube this season.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Another point, Dube is 18th from his draft class in points.
Of those ahead of him, only two were drafted in the 4th round or later (Jesper Bratt and Brandon Hagel in the 6th).

TBH I would trade Dube right now for a late pick, given his lack of production and his chonky qualifying offer that essentially makes him a pending UFA.

You can find goaltenders and solid 2-way players at this point in the draft too. IMO drafting more than 7 times is a solid strategy in the Salary Cap era. Especially, if you are a team that sucks like the San Jose Sharks who have needs in every position.

[Toonage]

Agreed. Dube is walking (or will be allowed to) and this scouting staff has drafted pretty well recently. Take the pick.

[blankall]

The Flames just have too many players who provide what Dube is providing right now. There was a time when he was the only prospect chasing down pucks and bringing energy. Now he's got competition from Pelletier, Coronato, Zary, Prospisal, etc... who all do the same thing, but likely have a higher ceiling.

The Flames don't have the roster space to give Dube more development time or free middle six minutes. The Flames should salvage what they can get for him. Perhaps swap him for a similar defender.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Agreed that with how Sharangovich is doing with Huberdeau it isn't worth it torching that pair just to try Duclair here. He'd end up on our 4L and we have other home grown players that can fit there.

Not so much replacing Sharangovich with Duclair as removing Lindholm and moving Sharangovich to the center spot and adding Duclair on the wing.

[bluejays]

Dube like a lot of players in todays lineup, doesn’t factor into the compete window or development timeframe of the future. Also frankly he’s coasted and not developed as much as he should’ve. If someone wants him and is providing a reasonable offer do it. Would be nice to get a number three young dean if we could add a sweetener with Dube. The back end is going to be changing with the upcoming trades. Would be nice to deal Dube for said package to ensure the Hanifin and Lindholm deals revolve around picks instead of too many filler guys to fill the roster.

[Harry Lime]

Dube was on an upward trajectory for his whole career until this year.

[cannon7]

I don't think the Flames would need to add to a Dube-Duclair swap, Dube is three years younger. Would rather the Flames get futures, though.

[Jiri Hrdina]

The advantage for the Sharks is they get a long look at a younger player. They can then decide if they want to qualify him or not, or offer him a longer deal (2 years say) at a lower cap rate. Dube probably is looking for a change and would be open to that if the fit is strong.

Similarly, I could see the Flames offering him a 2 year deal below the qualifying rate, to see if he takes that. I agree they probably won't qualify him based on the season to this point, but there's other ways of handling it.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Dube was on an upward trajectory for his whole career until this year.

That's not abnormal at his age though. A lot of players are promising middle sixish players who never fully develop into a top 6 player.