[PGT] Leafs 4 Flames 3

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

The Leafs are a 25th overall team, plus Auston Matthews and NHL officiating.

This league can go #### itself.

[Strange Brew]

The issue isn’t challenges. I’m ok with reviewing a goal. But the NFL gets it, you don’t review a touchdown pass to see if there was holding or offside.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

That was a different kind of play. Different ruling.

Forsberg 100% closed hand on the puck. But that’s a penalty. Not a ‘missed stoppage’. You can’t review a missed penalty. You can’t overturn a goal because of a missed penalty.

So when the review happened for a missed stoppage. They see Forsberg using his glove to put the puck over the net, but Weegar then played the puck to the Nashville player. That playing of the puck negated the hand touch.

There’s a distinction to be made between missed penalty and missed stoppage. Missed stoppage is high stick, puck in netting, glove pass. Not missed puck in closed glove because that’s a penalty.

In that case, it was both, a missed closing the hand penalty, followed by a missed stoppage for a hand pass. The hand pass was not a direct result of closing the hand on the puck, it was a subsequent, independent action. If it was just the missed closing the hand penalty but he did not subsequently use his hand to direct the puck to give his team an advantage, the league would have been justified in saying that there was no missed stoppage. Speaking of which, technically, a missed penalty call before the offending team scores IS ALWAYS a missed stoppage, because if a penalty had been called, a stoppage would have occurred before the goal was scored.

[Scrambler]

I'm getting old and I don't too angry about losses, I have enough anxiety and depression as it is. When they win, feels good for sure, but I'm realistic. Win or lose, I am enjoying the Flames team this year. I'm a fan of the idea of sneaking into the playoffs, Marky playing amazing so who knows how far we can go if we do get into the playoffs. Still sell off two UFA's for futures, keep bringing up the Wranglers and keep trying to win. No tanking for me, I hate that idea.

But that all said, this loss hurt and made me angry for sure.

Can't wait for Saturday.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

In that case, it was both, a missed closing the hand penalty, followed by a missed stoppage for a hand pass. The hand pass was not a direct result of closing the hand on the puck, it was a subsequent, independent action. If it was just the missed closing the hand penalty but he did not subsequently use his hand to direct the puck to give his team an advantage, the league would have been justified in saying that there was no missed stoppage. Speaking of which, technically, a missed penalty call before the offending team scores IS ALWAYS a missed stoppage, because if a penalty had been called, a stoppage would have occurred before the goal was scored.

You can’t overturn a goal because of a missed penalty like the closed hand on that Forsberg play. It’s in the rule book.

There was also no hand pass. Forsberg played it with his hand. It went over the net. Weegar then played the puck right to the Nashville player. Weegar’s playing of the puck negated the hand touch.

It really sucks that a goal like that stood but by letter of the rule book, I don’t see how you can overturn that play.

[dino7c]

It's just dumb that some rules count upon review but others don't

with slow motion replay there is probably an infraction every 5 seconds or so in hockey

Many of the rules are so old they don't even make sense anymore anyway, like WTF cares if a puck bounces off a skate or a glove. You can hit it in the net with your dick no problem though, good goal

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The issue isn’t challenges. I’m ok with reviewing a goal. But the NFL gets it, you don’t review a touchdown pass to see if there was holding or offside.

Agreed, I didnt even know you could coach challenge for a hand pass.

[Savvy27]

Fun game. The Flames made big mistakes and it cost them but the Leafs had a ton of giveaways too. Could have gone either way. The Flames lost a lot of mojo after that goal was called back.

I am pretty much done with the fourth line and the third pairing. I'm hoping that they will call up Bishop and give Greer-Bishop-Klapka a look. Huska and Savard don't play the fourth line that much, so I'd like to see true energy guys there. Ruzicka doesn't fit that mould and neither does Dube (even though you'd think with his speed he would).

I'm really hoping that Gilbert will be back for Saturday and if Kylington has a good weekend they could swap out Oesterle and DeSimone for Gilbert and Kylington and have a really strong group of 6.

It seems like Pospisil might be okay, so I'm really hoping that is true since he's been awesome this season.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The issue isn’t challenges. I’m ok with reviewing a goal. But the NFL gets it, you don’t review a touchdown pass to see if there was holding or offside.

No because those are penalties. But they do review plays for missed stoppages like stepping out of bounds.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It's just dumb that some rules count upon review but others don't

with slow motion replay there is probably an infraction every 5 seconds or so in hockey

Many of the rules are so old they don't even make sense anymore anyway, like WTF cares if a puck bounces off a skate or a glove. You can hit it in the net with your dick no problem though, good goal

TBH if you can hit it in the net with your dick it should probably count as 2 goals.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

No because those are penalties. But they do review plays for missed stoppages like stepping out of bounds.

That's the only one the NHL should review IMO...did the puck hit the mesh.

Or if it's a direct chance on net like the classic high stick reviews.

The rest of these missed stoppage reviews for things like hand passes or an in-direct high stick should not be reviewed.

[Slanter]

I'm not sure how anyone could be arguing that the NHL has this right. They clearly have it wrong. No one wants to see goals overturned for minor missed infractions. They've messed it up, everyone knows it (except one guy on this thread), and it's going to get changed next year.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Slanter

I'm not sure how anyone could be arguing that the NHL has this right. They clearly have it wrong. No one wants to see goals overturned for minor missed infractions. They've messed it up, everyone knows it (except one guy on this thread), and it's going to get changed next year.

Any one arguing it just hasn't been at the receiving end of an overturn that chintzy yet.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That's the only one the NHL should review IMO...did the puck hit the mesh.

Or if it's a direct chance on net like the classic high stick reviews.

The rest of these missed stoppage reviews for things like hand passes or an in-direct high stick should not be reviewed.

There was a pretty egregious missed glove pass that directly lead to an overtime goal in the Western Conference final during the Blues run to the cup. I would have been super pissed if that happened against my team. Review would have easily over turned it. It was plain to see.

I think it’s a tough call. You want the calls to be right but sometimes when it is right, it feels wrong because the fine line between a good goal and a bad goal is minuscule in so many case.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

You can’t overturn a goal because of a missed penalty like the closed hand on that Forsberg play. It’s in the rule book.

There was also no hand pass. Forsberg played it with his hand. It went over the net. Weegar then played the puck right to the Nashville player. Weegar’s playing of the puck negated the hand touch.

It really sucks that a goal like that stood but by letter of the rule book, I don’t see how you can overturn that play.

Check the second part of that rule. It’s not considered a hand pass only if it’s a pass to a teammate, it’s also considered a hand pass if you direct the puck in a manner that gives your team “an advantage”, for example, directing it in front of the net to an area where a defender might be at a disadvantage in controlling the puck in a prime scoring zone.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It's just dumb that some rules count upon review but others don't

with slow motion replay there is probably an infraction every 5 seconds or so in hockey

Many of the rules are so old they don't even make sense anymore anyway, like WTF cares if a puck bounces off a skate or a glove. You can hit it in the net with your dick no problem though, good goal

Maybe players should try this more often!

Before they institute a rule outlawing it.

[butterfly]

Just so disappointing to be sitting here celebrating a 4-4 goal and get it wiped away for that.

Leafs could have won in their 3v3 overtime special, TSN would still be over the moon, and Flames could have got 1 point that they deserved in my opinion.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Just so disappointing to be sitting here celebrating a 4-4 goal and get it wiped away for that.

Leafs could have won in their 3v3 overtime special, TSN would still be over the moon, and Flames could have got 1 point that they deserved in my opinion.

Agreed. So needless, forced, and disappointing. Flames deserved a point in this, and as you say very well still could've given it away in the skills competition. But at least then it would be considered a fair and well contested game.

The fact that it came after at least 5-7 minutes of elation and a full replay/review makes it more deflating. No wonder the team sagged after the fact.

If the nhl wants to keep interest high in this market, they're not helping themselves with #### like that spoiling a big game.

[Burning Beard]

As a dude who has had too many concussions I sure hope that Pospisil isn't dealing with another one. He brings some jam that this team sorely needs and is fun to watch.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

There was a pretty egregious missed glove pass that directly lead to an overtime goal in the Western Conference final during the Blues run to the cup. I would have been super pissed if that happened against my team. Review would have easily over turned it. It was plain to see.

I think it’s a tough call. You want the calls to be right but sometimes when it is right, it feels wrong because the fine line between a good goal and a bad goal is minuscule in so many case.

Thing is why draw the line where they did.

Would a missed call on a trip or high stick that leads to a goal be any less frustrating?

Plays like a hand pass or high stick rarely have enough influence to directly impact a goal against, I'd argue a missed penalty has way more influence on the outcome of a play.

So now they just opened up one can of worms but left the other can of worms closed and it's really very arbitrary.

You either have to review everything or review only the stuff that directly results in a goal IMO.