[Rumour] Jacob Markstrom...rumour? <Kevin Weekes does dumb eyeball thing on X>

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Just got to tip the hat to Lanny in the past few weeks.

Doing God's work making sure no one gets too excited or has any fun with pending UFAs and their returns.

The last thing we want around here is hope and excitement!

Some of us enjoy realistic discussion.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Yes, because trying to keep things real and in line with historical precedence is killing hope and excitement around here. Good to know.

Originally Posted by traptor

Some of us enjoy realistic discussion.

Because pessimism is the only "real" reflection of what might happen.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

It seems to me that all this means is that we aren't trading Markstrom, which weirdly, everyone seems to agree.

Vladar for a (low) second. Go get it.

[dino7c]

Markstom also chose the Flames as the #1 FA goalie on the market...you don't just ask him to waive his clause for F all return

[dino7c]

Vladar has to play great against the Leafs and get the deal done

Ala big save Dave

[traptor]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Because pessimism is the only "real" reflection of what might happen.

Everyone is entitled to post their opinions.


Some called it pessimistic. Others call it realistic.

Everyone has a line.


I would love to get a hughes for markstrom. NJD need a goalie. It's fair to say that's not realistic and frankly it's so unrealistic that it's boring to talk about.

In the same vein I dont think Nemec or mercer are realistic targets for Markstrom.


Conroy is free to ask for whatever he wants and he probably won't move Markstorm unless it was a ridiculous overpay like that. I would also be ecstatic.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by traptor

Some of us enjoy realistic discussion.

His "realistic" discussion is

"Less than Horvat"

Let's see

Seems Tofolli got a younger cheaper and dare I say currently better player and a pick

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Because pessimism is the only "real" reflection of what might happen.

It's not pessimism. It's looking at the history of trades, the current climate for trades, the current cap conditions, the long-term behaviors of the team, and seeing how they stack up in comparison to some of the suggestions. Instead, I always ask for people to explain the how and the why behind their suggestions, to show other deals that support such expectations, and then weigh that with the Flames behaviors as an organization. That isn't pessimism, that is trying to understand the insanity.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dino7c

His "realistic" discussion is

"Less than Horvat"

Let's see

Seems Tofolli got a younger cheaper and dare I say currently better player and a pick

They are a similar caliber of player, horvat was younger and was having a career year well ocer a PPG. We also probably wont get a 1st as low as 17th oa. So I think there's a fair argument that we will get around that return and maybe a bit lower.


I'd love to get:
Mercer+holtz+1st for markstrom + hanifin

And

Byram+1st for lindholm

Rebuild is over. But common... seriously?

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Markstom also chose the Flames as the #1 FA goalie on the market...you don't just ask him to waive his clause for F all return

I agree that this is what management is thinking.

They won't trade Marky unless it was a massive offer they couldn't refuse.

Which is why it's extremly unlikely he will be traded.

I dont see NJD being willing to trade nemec or mercer for markstrom.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Depends on the team's thinking for next season.
Do they want to compete? Probably.
Do they trust Wolf to be the #1? Not yet.

So trading Markstrom means largely giving up this season and less chance of competing next season. So the price has to be worth it for that. And it probably isn't.

I realize that is counter to the desire for a full re-build, but we have no indication of the club doing that. So giving up their established #1 isn't easy. I suspect that the gap between the price they would need and what they can get is big. And won't be bridged.

Yeah. And that’s a bit of an issue with me. The compete window is probably three four years down the line. Denying that without a star is a management mistake for a long time. It’s not you, it’s their half way approach that is aggravating. Conroy’s gotta work that phone with Murray to maximize his assets to get good picks.

[Bonded]

New Jersey apparently looking at Gibson. Could be a decent buy low option as well

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Markstom also chose the Flames as the #1 FA goalie on the market...you don't just ask him to waive his clause for F all return

Markstrom seems happy here, a stabilizing player who wants to win. Would have to be a pretty big ask to ask a player like that to wave. We are better off within as part of the core.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by traptor

They are a similar caliber of player, horvat was younger and was having a career year well ocer a PPG. We also probably wont get a 1st as low as 17th oa. So I think there's a fair argument that we will get around that return and maybe a bit lower.


I'd love to get:
Mercer+holtz+1st for markstrom + hanifin

And

Byram+1st for lindholm

Rebuild is over. But common... seriously?

It only won't be 17th overall because it will likely be a better team...nothing to do with value of Lindholm vs. Horvat

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by traptor

I agree that this is what management is thinking.

They won't trade Marky unless it was a massive offer they couldn't refuse.

Which is why it's extremly unlikely he will be traded.

I dont see NJD being willing to trade nemec or mercer for markstrom.

When did I propose either of those deals?

[dustygoon]

What a tedious direction this thread has taken. I would avoid it but it keeps sitting at the top of the page as if Marky was about to be moved.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by traptor

Everyone is entitled to post their opinions.


Some called it pessimistic. Others call it realistic.

Everyone has a line.


I would love to get a hughes for markstrom. NJD need a goalie. It's fair to say that's not realistic and frankly it's so unrealistic that it's boring to talk about.

In the same vein I dont think Nemec or mercer are realistic targets for Markstrom.


Conroy is free to ask for whatever he wants and he probably won't move Markstorm unless it was a ridiculous overpay like that. I would also be ecstatic.

Yes, you can post an opinion. Calling it “realism” implies that you have the monopoly on the truth - what’s “real”.

You know what’s not realism? Saying that Hughes for Markstrom is a comparable for Nemec or Mercer for Markstrom.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I’m with Lanny a bit on this one. Some of the offers on Markstrom proposed on here are through the roof. It’s fun to talk about but who pays the equivalent of two first rounders for a goalie who may or may not have rebounded? It’s funny but from Conroy saying he won’t trade him unless he gets an offer that blows off his socks, would probably be two first rounders from his point of view. Well, what GM would do that with his recent history? And if teams currently are calling up offering a first plus a bit is that not a good if not great offer? And why do we have to keep him? For what future if this a rebuilding team? I just find the whole thing odd. Don’t get me wrong, Conroy should shoot for the moon but IMO if you can get a first for someone with uncertainty, isn’t part of the long term when you’re ready to compete, and probably won’t have a higher value than now, you take it.

I think this is just posturing by Conroy, if you really wanted to keep markstrom, you would just say "not for sale"...if the intell is correct and he would only be trading him if there was a great offer ..it just tells me they are prepared to trade him, they're just asking for "the moon" so that they can accomplish their goal of a "reasonable" return for trading their starting goaltender..

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by browntrout

I think this is just posturing by Conroy, if you really wanted to keep markstrom, you would just say "not for sale"

When has Conroy said anything at all about it? Why should he? All this talk is coming from the media.

[Freeway]

Eight weeks until the deadline, kids.