Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I thought the people simping for Elon Musk were bad...

They're the same people

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by belsarius

"Liberal wokeness" can be defined using 3 quotes.

1. The Golden Rule


2. Your mom


3. Wyld Stallyns


If following these 3 simple ideas is too hard, then you might be a redneck. (Jeff Foxworthy - probably)

Which one of those does banning Co-Op from giving out compostable bags fit into?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by belsarius

"Liberal wokeness" can be defined using 3 quotes.

1. The Golden Rule


2. Your mom


3. Wyld Stallyns


If following these 3 simple ideas is too hard, then you might be a redneck. (Jeff Foxworthy - probably)

None of those explain the ideology behind things like the cancellation of a guest lecture by a professor who is opposed to affirmative action. And none of the people who signed this letter are rednecks.

Yascha Mounk eschews the term ‘woke’ in favour of ‘identity synthesis.’ Which he argues has seven elements:

Scepticism about objective truth: a postmodern wariness about “grand narratives” that extends to scepticism about scientific claims and universal values.

Discourse analysis for political ends: a critique of speech and language to overcome oppressive structures.

Doubling down on identity: a strategy of embracing rather than dismantling identities.

Proud pessimism: the view that no genuine civil rights progress has been made, and that oppressive structures will always exist.

Identity-sensitive legislation: the failure of “equal treatment” requires policies that explicitly favour marginalised groups.

The imperative of intersectionality: effectively acting against one form of oppression requires responding to all its forms.

Standpoint theory: marginalised groups have access to truths that cannot be communicated to outsiders.

https://theconversation.com/how-a-ne...justice-217085

Whether you agree or not with that particular list, I don’t see how anyone of good faith looking the political landscape today can fail to see some pretty big cleavages between traditional liberalism and whatever it is you want to call the progressive movement around identity equity.

[Fuzz]

Ya, can't see Pierre Pollivere substituting identity synthesis for woke in his bloviating.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

lol. I'm sure there are countries way better than Canada the past 5 years but the US isn't one of them.

It's prob in your mind living in a crappy city like Winnipeg... lol

Instead of looking at the data and what is clearly becoming a massive issue, you take shots at me because of where I live, make another ignorant comment comment about the US economy, and perpetuate the ridiculous idea that things aren't that bad because, well nobody knows.

You are literally the perfect example of the type of people in our country who have brought it to the point where we are pathetic as a country in making sure our needs are taken care of. Now even our standard of living is falling off the map.

But hey, "lol."

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by belsarius

"Liberal wokeness" can be defined using 3 quotes.

1. The Golden Rule


2. Your mom


3. Wyld Stallyns


If following these 3 simple ideas is too hard, then you might be a redneck. (Jeff Foxworthy - probably)

How does #1 square with the fact that sometimes it gets eye-rollingly annoying to the point that you want to delete every social media app off your phone and go live in a cave just so the stupid subsides?

I think your definition of 'liberal wokeness' -- compared to the people who tend to use the term a lot -- is probably pretty generous in its leniency. It's like my definition of liberal; I think of myself as a liberal which is slightly left of center. But that's not how most people use the term these days -- and it's usually derogatory -- to refer to all sorts of ridiculousness that, as a liberal, I don't subscribe to when it is used.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

It's like my definition of liberal; I think of myself as a liberal which is slightly left of center. But that's not how most people use the term these days -- and it's usually derogatory -- to refer to all sorts of ridiculousness that, as a liberal, I don't subscribe to when it is used.

You could swap the words Liberal with Conservative and left with right to describe me.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Man, I'm so old I remember when "Woke" was simply called "Not being a d*ck".

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Azure

Instead of looking at the data and what is clearly becoming a massive issue, you take shots at me because of where I live, make another ignorant comment comment about the US economy, and perpetuate the ridiculous idea that things aren't that bad because, well nobody knows.

You are literally the perfect example of the type of people in our country who have brought it to the point where we are pathetic as a country in making sure our needs are taken care of. Now even our standard of living is falling off the map.

But hey, "lol."

Maybe you should leave this "not serious dog and pony show" country for the US... haha

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Man, I'm so old I remember when "Woke" was simply called "Not being a d*ck".

As I alluded to with my "liberal" example, those really aren't the same thing.

[Ozy_Flame]

It's amazing to me how that word has come to represent basically everything right-wingers don't align with or oppose. It's becoming ultra lazy.

I mean, the use of that word has been so diluted - particularly by boomers who can't deal with social change - that it's just a catch term underlying fears and anxiety of things they don't agree with.

Remember back in the 70's to 90's when parents would get chunky over things like KISS concerts, video games, or rap music? That was their 'woke'. Anything they didn't agree with that defied their traditional view of social conventions. Today's use of 'woke' by these people are really just an extension of this by virtue of changing social conventions that make people uncomfortable or feel threatened. And some things just never change, such as people being suspicious of anything LGBTQ or 'gay' as people used to call back then.

It must be exhausting to constantly complain about what's 'woke' all the time. DeSantis' already braised frontal cortex must be perma-fried fighting 'woke' so much.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

As a lawyer, here’s what concerns me.

Where did you go to law school? Did they have the lowest LSAT requirements imaginable?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

None of those explain the ideology behind things like the cancellation of a guest lecture by a professor who is opposed to affirmative action. And none of the people who signed this letter are rednecks.

Jesus Christ, Cliff. Get some new material already.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Which one of those does banning Co-Op from giving out compostable bags fit into?

It has less to do with ideas than method of delivery. Bureaucracy is a sledge hammer, when most problems need a scalpel.

The idea that government needs to protect people from social evils falls on the social reform movement. In the following century we've been involved in all kinds of government interventions. Typically, if they make sense, they stick around ie removing led from gas, if their bad ideas they normally get changed back after a decade of so, see prohibition.

[Julio]

Anybody who use "woke" and "they" when they are speaking pretty much lose me.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Julio

Anybody who use "woke" and "they" when they are speaking pretty much lose me.

Not one for pronouns eh?

Originally Posted by Jacks

You could swap the words Liberal with Conservative and left with right to describe me.

Lower-case L and lower-case C, otherwise you're saying something completely different.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

It's amazing to me how that word has come to represent basically everything right-wingers don't align with or oppose. It's becoming ultra lazy.

I mean, the use of that word has been so diluted - particularly by boomers who can't deal with social change - that it's just a catch term underlying fears and anxiety of things they don't agree with.

Remember back in the 70's to 90's when parents would get chunky over things like KISS concerts, video games, or rap music? That was their 'woke'. Anything they didn't agree with that defied their traditional view of social conventions. Today's use of 'woke' by these people are really just an extension of this by virtue of changing social conventions that make people uncomfortable or feel threatened. And some things just never change, such as people being suspicious of anything LGBTQ or 'gay' as people used to call back then.

It must be exhausting to constantly complain about what's 'woke' all the time. DeSantis' already braised frontal cortex must be perma-fried fighting 'woke' so much.

I think there is an element of truth in this. However, I think the fear and anxiety is also being felt by the left-wingers, when the term, "woke" is used.

Maybe we should look at the term as a positive, in that it tends to make all people, right and left, hesitant in automatically accepting change.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Jesus Christ, Cliff. Get some new material already.

This is about the third time I’ve posted on the subject in a year. Meanwhile, there are people here who have been making the same rants about the UCP ten times a week, every week, for years. So if you’re going to start policing posters for being repetitive in political threads, you’ve got your work cut out for you.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Julio

Anybody who use "woke" and "they" when they are speaking pretty much lose me.

Singular they has been part of speech for a100 years.

Prior to this recent “wokeness” I would bet you used it instead of saying his or her without ever realizing it.

[Azure]

Most of the people I know who describe themselves as being 'woke', think they are more open and aware to the needs of other people around them, including marginalized groups, but in reality they are some of the most ignorant closed minded people I know, and they show it on social media.

It is amazing how much ones perspective changes when you actually get out in the real world and talk to people versus just preaching on social media.