2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1747468788281266624

Yeah this sounds like the take of someone with no real sources.

It's not that cut and dry. And I guarantee you Edward's isn't telling Conroy he has to walk an asset like lindholm to free agency.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Muta

You disagree the Maple Leafs can go to hell?

…damn it.

[SuperMatt18]

To me it's the market making that decision at this point.

Nobody has the cap room to make a trade right now anyways and if you do you're potentially missing teams that would have been interested had you waited until they did have cap room.

I just hope that when we get within 2-3 weeks of the deadline that then they take action, and they aren't locked in a playoff spot and use the "These guys are our own rentals" justification to walk them to UFA.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

To me it's the market making that decision at this point.

Nobody has the cap room to make a trade right now anyways and if you do you're potentially missing teams that would have been interested had you waited until they did have cap room.

I just hope that when we get within 2-3 weeks of the deadline that then they take action, and they aren't locked in a playoff spot and use the "These guys are our own rentals" justification to walk them to UFA.

They didn’t even force Treliving to do that early on.

He traded Glencross, Hudler and Russell in futures-based deals.

Glencross in particular was in the middle of a playoff race.

They’re not immune to good decision making.

[Royle9]

Here we go again.
Please for the love of christ don't mess this up Conroy.

Quit buying into the mediocrity.
Pull a Nashville, sell your UFA's for futures and if you get in then BONUS.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I would bet that they had to get Edwards aligned to the overall approach, including to sell off the pending UFAs they can't/do not want to sign.
Which is different from saying that he has to approved all trades.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Here we go again.
Please for the love of christ don't mess this up Conroy.

Quit buying into the mediocrity.
Pull a Nashville, sell your UFA's for futures and if you get in then BONUS.

Actually we haven't gone anywhere.

Nothing has changed.

A guy that has no clue had an opinion.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would bet that they had to get Edwards aligned to the overall approach, including to sell off the pending UFAs they can't/do not want to sign.
Which is different from saying that he has to approved all trades.

For sure. I highly doubt Conroy went through the whole hiring process to sell them on one vision, only to turnaround the same day he was hired and say something different. Edwards was aware of Conroy's philosophy when he was hired and probably expects him to follow through.

I would not be surprised if this team sells, and is no more worse for the wear though. The guys they will be keeping and will be promoting have moxie.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I feel very relaxed knowing that Conroy has his finger on the pulse of the team right now. Every move he has made was with an eye to the future. He has specifically brought up Gaudreau, and stated that it was a mistake allowing him to go to market and then walking away for free.



I am just not worried. I don't know if this team is going to do a significant retool (or in other words, a rebuild, but not a scorched-earth type), or if he is simply moving the upcoming UFAs and leaving it at that.


I would just be extremely surprised if Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin are all both unsigned and still Calgary Flames beyond the deadline. No amount of "Murray Edwards" this or ownership group that is going to worry me. I simply believe Conroy and what he has stated so far in every media availability.



Also, how many millions does the ownership group make per playoff game? That would give them 2 games, barring an upset (assuming they come in somewhere between the 8th and 6th seed, which is generous). How many millions can this ownership group save by selling Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin, plus making more futures-based deals? Probably more, right?


We have also heard from Conroy that this team is willing to retain on contracts - if the price is right (which in Zadorov's case, wasn't). He also stated during that very same interview that the cap space was crucial (which is why he declined the poor offers with retention) citing that the Flames are also willing to work as middle-men to retain salary on deals between two teams.


This doesn't sound like a team that is citing playoff revenue as critical, so I am not buying into any "Murray Edwards won't let" scenarios. I would be very surprised if Conroy doesn't have the autonomy to make his own decisions and set his own direction, plus he has Maloney, Pascal, Nonis and Iginla to advise him.



If it ends up happening, I will choose to freak out about it then. No point in freaking out about it now, as it will just get in the way of my excitement with what Conroy is going to do.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Three games above .500 and counting since dumping that bum

The point is you can trade a UFA and don't automatically become terrible. Other guys get opportunity and need to step up

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Actually we haven't gone anywhere.

Nothing has changed.

A guy that has no clue had an opinion.

It’s also the low stakes opinion to have as a talking head given the Flames history. To be the first guy saying they are selling everything is the braver guy.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Three games above .500 and counting since dumping that bum

The point is you can trade a UFA and don't automatically become terrible. Other guys get opportunity and need to step up

And your goalie can go from mid to Vezina finalist too!

[NegativeSpace]

When is the last time John Shannon offered any original insight on the Flames? I can't remember him breaking any news. There is a lot of emotion about nothing.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Three games above .500 and counting since dumping that bum

The point is you can trade a UFA and don't automatically become terrible. Other guys get opportunity and need to step up

lol the Zadarov trade has no bearing on the Flames current position. The defense is still worse but markstrom has been playing out of his mind.

[stemit14]

My prediction by the TDL:

Hanifin re-signed ($7.25 million AAV x 8 years)
Tanev (50% retained) traded for a 1st round pick
Dube (50% retained) traded for a 3rd round pick (50% retained)
Lindholm (50% retained) traded for 1st + 2nd round picks + B-level prospect
Vladar traded for a 3rd round pick

Pelletier, Coronato, Wolf and Kyllington brought up to the big club for the rest of the season.
Sharangovich switches to playing center with Huberdeau and Coronato on his wings.

Calgary goes forward this season with something like this:

Huberdeau-Sharangovich-Coronato
Zary-Kadri-Posposil
Mangiapane-Backlund-Coleman
Pelletier-Ruzicka-Greer

Anderson-Weegar
Hanifin-Kyllington
Gilbert-Oesterle

Markstrom
Wolf

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

lol the Zadarov trade has no bearing on the Flames current position. The defense is still worse but markstrom has been playing out of his mind.

Vladar also has a better record but okay

Do you guys work for his agent? guy had big hits but turned over the puck constantly

Gilbert stepped up, there wasn't a big drop off

Z is a depth guy

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Vladar also has a better record but okay

Do you guys work for his agent? guy had big hits but turned over the puck constantly

Gilbert stepped up, there wasn't a big drop off

Z is a depth guy

Honestly I'm not sure who you are arguing with.

Nobody argued that Zadorov is an amazing player. Or even that the team would be substantially worse without him. Just that they'd rather have Zadorov in the lineup each night instead of Desimone or Oesterle...which is 100% a true and fair statement regardless of the results since the trade.

Maybe we need to bring Spurs back...between Dino7c (Always 100% positive with an inability to admit that any Ex-Flames might be an okay player once they are traded) and Spurs (Always 100% negative with an inability to admit that any Flame might actually be good) the force was balanced.

Seems like since Spurs was banned the balance was lost and Dino7c picked up the habit of arguing with himself and constantly pretending like somebody made a point that they actually didn't make.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by stemit14

My prediction by the TDL:

Hanifin re-signed ($7.25 million AAV x 8 years)
Tanev (50% retained) traded for a 1st round pick
Dube (50% retained) traded for a 3rd round pick (50% retained)
Lindholm (50% retained) traded for 1st + 2nd round picks + B-level prospect
Vladar traded for a 3rd round pick

Pelletier, Coronato, Wolf and Kyllington brought up to the big club for the rest of the season.
Sharangovich switches to playing center with Huberdeau and Coronato on his wings.

Calgary goes forward this season with something like this:

Huberdeau-Sharangovich-Coronato
Zary-Kadri-Posposil
Mangiapane-Backlund-Coleman
Pelletier-Ruzicka-Greer

Anderson-Weegar
Hanifin-Kyllington
Gilbert-Oesterle

Markstrom
Wolf

Yes please.

Is Yegor a natural Centre? Zary? It’s a tough position to play.

The Colorado trade proposal sends a centre back our way as a cap dump. That might make more sense.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by stemit14

My prediction by the TDL:

Hanifin re-signed ($7.25 million AAV x 8 years)
Tanev (50% retained) traded for a 1st round pick
Dube (50% retained) traded for a 3rd round pick (50% retained)
Lindholm (50% retained) traded for 1st + 2nd round picks + B-level prospect
Vladar traded for a 3rd round pick

Pelletier, Coronato, Wolf and Kyllington brought up to the big club for the rest of the season.
Sharangovich switches to playing center with Huberdeau and Coronato on his wings.

Calgary goes forward this season with something like this:

Huberdeau-Sharangovich-Coronato
Zary-Kadri-Posposil
Mangiapane-Backlund-Coleman
Pelletier-Ruzicka-Greer

Anderson-Weegar
Hanifin-Kyllington
Gilbert-Oesterle

Markstrom
Wolf

My ideal lineup as well. Relies on Kylington coming back and Coronato being half decent though.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Yes please.

Is Yegor a natural Centre? Zary? It’s a tough position to play.

The Colorado trade proposal sends a centre back our way as a cap dump. That might make more sense.

I could for sure see a trade with Colorado being a fit for the flames.

To Colorado:
Lindholm (50% retained)

To Calgary:
2024 1st round pick
2024 2nd round pick
Calum Ritchie
Ryan Johansen (cap dump)

The prospect (Ritchie) in this scenario is more of an A-level prospect because the flames are taking back Johansen who is also signed for next season at $4 million. This deal saves Colorado cap space both now and next year.

Johansen could slide into Lindholm’s spot between Huberdeau and Sharangovich. Does not provide nearly as much defensive play or face off prowess but his offense should be fairly similar to Lindholm this year. Flames get a great package of picks and a top prospect while still having a chance to keep competing this year.