2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I thought that Landeskog was finally around Colorado, and skating now. I read somewhere that he'll definitely miss the regular season, but I thought that might show up for the playoffs.

Oh he will show up for the playoffs, I took heat for saying that before the season started. The precedent has been set, why would any team not give themselves the advantage of adding millions of dollars in players at the deadline and then bring their LTIR guys back for game 1 when the cap no longer counts? We are going to see at least one contender do this every season going forward.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Oh he will show up for the playoffs, I took heat for saying that before the season started. The precedent has been set, why would any team not give themselves the advantage of adding millions of dollars in players at the deadline and then bring their LTIR guys back for game 1 when the cap no longer counts? We are going to see at least one contender do this every season going forward.

You also would have said the same thing last season when Landeskog missed the entire season...only to not return in the playoffs.

There is a chance Landeskog makes it back for the playoffs, but I highly doubt it's by design.

He wasn't even cleared for light skating as of January 1st, and there were still questions if he'd ever play again.

Not sure him missing two entire regular seasons to only return for the playoffs is this huge advantage you're making it out to be.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You also would have said the same thing last season when Landeskog missed the entire season...only to not return in the playoffs.

There is a chance Landeskog makes it back for the playoffs, but I highly doubt it's by design.

He wasn't even cleared for light skating as of January 1st, and there were still questions if he'd ever play again.

Not sure him missing two entire regular seasons to only return for the playoffs is this huge advantage you're making it out to be.

Landeskog was reported to be way ahead of schedule at the start of the year, he just started skating with the team a couple days ago, he has been skating on his own for a while now. Do you think there is a snowballs chance in hell if he can go before the playoffs they activate him? If that happens I will retract everything I just said. Did we not see the exact same thing with Stone in Vegas last year? It is like a total repeat of what happened on here, I said he would suddenly be good to go for game 1, many posters gave me flack about it, he might never play again, he is done, and low and behold look who was ready for the playoffs. We shall see how this plays out but my bet is he is a lot further along than you think and will be there come playoffs.

Not thinking it's an advantage is kind of bonkers considering the last two Cup winners both did the same thing adding back a key member who had missed significant time while loading up at the trade deadline.

[Scroopy Noopers]

I’d risk life and limb to play in the playoffs. I wouldn’t risk my health to come back for game 72 in Columbus Ohio…. Players will always push the envelope when it comes to the playoffs.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

So... all that smoke about lindholm and no fire?

Not aware of any smoke around Lindholm. If you keep track of insiders on podcasts like Barnburner, Fan 960 they just keep repeating that he and the Flames are still far apart on a number

There are no specific rumors about a suitor that I've seen, nothing even like "X and Y team are the front runners for Lindholm" just speculation based on injuries/needs other teams have.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Landeskog was reported to be way ahead of schedule at the start of the year, he just started skating with the team a couple days ago, he has been skating on his own for a while now. Do you think there is a snowballs chance in hell if he can go before the playoffs they activate him? If that happens I will retract everything I just said. Did we not see the exact same thing with Stone in Vegas last year? It is like a total repeat of what happened on here, I said he would suddenly be good to go for game 1, many posters gave me flack about it, he might never play again, he is done, and low and behold look who was ready for the playoffs. We shall see how this plays out but my bet is he is a lot further along than you think and will be there come playoffs.

Not thinking it's an advantage is kind of bonkers considering the last two Cup winners both did the same thing adding back a key member who had missed significant time while loading up at the trade deadline.

It's an advantage for sure, I just don't think it's some big master plan for Colorado. Landeskog hasn't played since they won the cup, I'm sure they'd love to have him playing right now, also seems like that locker room is in disarray this year too.

In terms of past cup winners...IMO it was obvious Stone would came back, but the team they iced in the playoffs was actually cap compliant. The Stone LTIR really just let them add Quick who didn't play a game in the playoffs anyways.

The only team that really abused what you're saying where a player missed a full season was Tampa Bay with Kucherov, where he missed a season and came back and put up Conn Smythe numbers with a roster way over the cap.

[dustygoon]

Elvis requested a trade? Playing like that? As the GM how do you keep a straight face?

The dude is untradable. Gibson plays on a crap team, gets lit up, has high contract but competes and plays well to the point teams want him. Elvis is like that except not good.

JG must be loving it in Ohio right now.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Oh he will show up for the playoffs, I took heat for saying that before the season started. The precedent has been set, why would any team not give themselves the advantage of adding millions of dollars in players at the deadline and then bring their LTIR guys back for game 1 when the cap no longer counts? We are going to see at least one contender do this every season going forward.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but having a top player not play for a year or more is not ideal.

I know Kucherov missed an entire season and didn't miss a step, but I think that's an exception and not the rule.

Take a look at Kylington as an example, he missed a year and a half while being physically healthy, and working out for most of it. After his first game back, he still had a groin injury.

Jagr was a different example of a player that started his off-season training late because he thought he was out of the NHL before signing with the Flames. He was struggling with groin injuries for the majority of his time here. Granted, age, and Gully's bagskates were definitely a factor.

As far as Landeskog goes, he underwent a really major surgery. I don't know how cartilage replacement affects his knee, the strength, movement, or stability in it. For all we know, he'd be skating in molasses.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What balmy part weather of Russia did Bryzgalov come from?

Russian NHLers seem to have a very different attitude towards playing location than Swedes or Finns. While the latter are often fine with playing in cold-weather cities because they grew up in that environment, Russian NHLers want to play in warm-weather cities. In their culture, moving to somewhere with sun and beaches is the true sign of ‘making it.’ When they have a choice, many Russian NHLers reportedly either want to play in a major city with a large Russian population (New York area, Chicago) or somewhere with beaches.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The only team that really abused what you're saying where a player missed a full season was Tampa Bay with Kucherov, where he missed a season and came back and put up Conn Smythe numbers with a roster way over the cap.

Wasn't a full season, but Chicago did with Kane. Added Vermette and Timmonen at the deadline and Kane came off LTIR for Game 1 of the playoffs.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Somewhere there are Russians looking at pics of Nunavut, and saying: "Canada is a frozen wasteland!" and seeing it as representative of Canada, and that people are all basically evenly spread out in Canada. That seems to mimic what some posters are doing here.


Moscow, St. Petersburg, Vladivostok, etc. - way warmer than Winnipeg, Edmonton and Calgary during the winter. They all have much milder winters. I would be surprised if the majority of hockey players from Russia had ever experienced -30 celicus weather before, actually. Look at the population map of Russia, and then overlay it with the average temperature map of Russia. I would bet they correlate rather nicely. Probably just as nicely as Canada's does.



Anyway, even people here hate it, no? There are many reasons why I love this city. I really do. Winters are NOT one of them. I don't enjoy the -20's, and I especially don't enjoy the -30's! If I were to win the lottery on Tuesday, I will guarantee that this past week would be the very last week of my life in which I experience -30, or even -20.



That's how I assume rich athletes think too. Sure, not all. I am sure that many people here would remain in Calgary after winning the lottery - the occasional extreme low temperatures here are a minor inconvenience for some. I assume the same for professional athletes in general - whether from Russia, or Sweden, or Canada, or wherever. Some people love the cold, but most people don't.



That's ok. Calgary can do other things to help attract and retain players. Having a good coach, rather than a sucky 'player's coach' or an asshat for a 'hard ass' coach. Provide a good environment. The new building will go a long way apparently. Encourage activities with the families and make them feel a part of the community. Conroy has gone out of his way to not only say, but also to implement "fun" back into the organization. Treating players right, respecting them and their families - these are things that become noticed around the league. Edmonton is an asshat of an organization and has even worse weather, but they are winning so SOME (FEW!!) players want to go there. If McDavid wasn't there, they would be vying with Winnipeg. Probably worse, as I haven't heard of Winnipeg treating their players poorly, whereas we have heard many things out of Edmonton over the years.


Anyway, it isn't about attracting UFAs. Flames will never compete with New York, Vegas, etc. You just have to be a top-class organization, put a winning product on the ice, and treat players and their families with class. Draft well, develop well, and make sure that they are coached well. Develop a good culture. I like how Conroy has gotten the Flames' alumni much more involved with the team. Over time, there will be less players that put Calgary on their no-trade lists, and more that will be talked into waiving it after they ask around. It isn't about attracting high-priced free agents, it is about making sure that this organization has that flexibility.


As well, drafting and developing your own players, and doing everything that you can to make this a top-class team in every way, will help retain players. Less mercenaries, and more home-grown talents that feel taken care of here.



Do that, and even the Russians will start wanting to come here when the Rangers, Panthers and Knights are full. Ok, maybe they won't want to come here even then, but they are much more likely to be convinced to do so when we trade for them. You can't control the weather, but you certainly can control how you operate. That's what the Flames need to improve upon all the time, and that's part of what Conroy has been doing.

[Shazam]

Y'all know that NYS doesn't get frigid temps, but because it's so humid, even 0C is brutal right? Hell anything below 10C in winter is terrible there.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Somewhere there are Russians looking at pics of Nunavut, and saying: "Canada is a frozen wasteland!" and seeing it as representative of Canada, and that people are all basically evenly spread out in Canada. That seems to mimic what some posters are doing here.


Moscow, St. Petersburg, Vladivostok, etc. - way warmer than Winnipeg, Edmonton and Calgary during the winter. They all have much milder winters. I would be surprised if the majority of hockey players from Russia had ever experienced -30 celicus weather before, actually. Look at the population map of Russia, and then overlay it with the average temperature map of Russia. I would bet they correlate rather nicely. Probably just as nicely as Canada's does.

Moscow, St Petersburg are most certainly not way warmer than Calgary and I expect most Russian hockey players are very familiar with minus 30.

Moscow in particular. I have been there in November and it was pretty damn close to Minus 30 then.

[mikephoen]

It’s -17 with 83% humidity in Chicago right now. And that doesn’t include the brutal wind that comes off the lake.

I don’t understand how Chicago gets such a free pass from people when they talk about bad weather. I’m certain Calgary has milder winters when you take wind and humidity into account.

[blankall]

Calgary gets sun and Chinooks. A -25 yet sunny day in Calgary is miles better than -10 in Toronto. I've lived in both cities. The humidity on the east coast or on the great lakes is brutal, both in the winter and summer. I found Toronto to have tolerable weather in the fall and spring only. Everything else was brutal.

[Shazam]

Oh god I can't even imagine -10C in Toronto. It was -2C the last time I was there and I was shivering uncontrollably. I thought I was coming down with something. Went inside - nope. Just the humidity.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Word out of Colorado is Landeskog isn't coming back, Nichushkin has entered the Player Assistance Program and is out indefinitely. They need some top 6 additions.

They'd be wise to pursue Lindholm. Would fit their situation like a glove.

But it'll cost them.

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by blankall

Calgary gets sun and Chinooks. A -25 yet sunny day in Calgary is miles better than -10 in Toronto. I've lived in both cities. The humidity on the east coast or on the great lakes is brutal, both in the winter and summer. I found Toronto to have tolerable weather in the fall and spring only. Everything else was brutal.

This is bang on, humidity is a killer. I was born and raised in Calgary, but I live in southern Ontario now. I’ll take Alberta winters and summers over this crap any day

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by sch19lks

This is bang on, humidity is a killer. I was born and raised in Calgary, but I live in southern Ontario now. I’ll take Alberta winters and summers over this crap any day

Southern Ontario in the winter is slush. Snow, melt, snow, melt, mixed in with some freezing weather. My feet were always wet in the winter when I lived there.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Oh he will show up for the playoffs, I took heat for saying that before the season started. The precedent has been set, why would any team not give themselves the advantage of adding millions of dollars in players at the deadline and then bring their LTIR guys back for game 1 when the cap no longer counts? We are going to see at least one contender do this every season going forward.

I agree, and I've been saying this for a while. If you ain't cheating the cap for the playoffs, you may be putting your team at a disadvantage.