Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I also see a lot of folk trying to blame EV drivers for brown outs.

If you want to blame someone you should blame people over 60 who live in four bedroom homes. At least an EV is useful, you don't need three spare rooms. Your kids don't come home that often Karen!

Hey, leave my wife, Karen, out of this. Our house has only three bedrooms, and our kids do stay occasionally.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I also see a lot of folk trying to blame EV drivers for brown outs.

If you want to blame someone you should blame people over 60 who live in four bedroom homes. At least an EV is useful, you don't need three spare rooms. Your kids don't come home that often Karen!

Who does that?

If anything, the only people responsible for brown-outs are the Government.

They're responsible for the grid.

I pay for the power that I use. The Government is responsible for setting the conditions that the required power is there when I need it.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I also see a lot of folk trying to blame EV drivers for brown outs.

If you want to blame someone you should blame people over 60 who live in four bedroom homes. At least an EV is useful, you don't need three spare rooms. Your kids don't come home that often Karen!

They probably also leave their vehicle block heaters plugged in all the time, parked outside because their heated garages are full of ####.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

They probably also leave their vehicle block heaters plugged in all the time, parked outside because their heated garages are full of ####.

Actually, I do it because we only have space for one vehicle in the garage and my baby deserves at least a little treat for having to stay outside all the time.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I also see a lot of folk trying to blame EV drivers for brown outs.

If you want to blame someone you should blame people over 60 who live in four bedroom homes. At least an EV is useful, you don't need three spare rooms. Your kids don't come home that often Karen!

Are people with 4 bedroom homes really heating all of the rooms with electric baseboard heaters?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Actually, I do it because we only have space for one vehicle in the garage and my baby deserves at least a little treat for having to stay outside all the time.

You at least have it on a timer though, right?

Just saying, complaining about EV's using power while leaving an ICE plugged in all day is proof people don't actually care or think things through, they just want to try to win at Xitter.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You at least have it on a timer though, right?

Just saying, complaining about EV's using power while leaving an ICE plugged in all day is proof people don't actually care or think things through, they just want to try to win at Xitter.

Oh, I agree, it doesn’t make sense to complain about EV’s in that case (I prefer to store up any EV related complaints and just direct the entirety of them to making fun of the loser type of Tesla owners, they know who they are).

I don’t have a timer but I like to think I plug in pretty sparingly. This past week being a fairly significant exception.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

They probably also leave their vehicle block heaters plugged in all the time, parked outside because their heated garages are full of ####.

It’s a 10 - 1 difference in terms of wattage.

I think it would be interesting if the grid could shut off certain chargers as cars like Teslas are connected. Just send out a conserve power command and you disable charging during key periods.

You could significantly reduce peak load requirements like that. Or even better is if you could switch them into supply mode to the grid. 40kWh x 1000,000 cars would be 40,000 mWh or about 4 hours of full grid capacity or 40 hrs of 10% top up. Lots of issues with it and even at peak pricing that 40kWh was only worth $40 so maybe not enough incentive but in future it could be an interesting back up source.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by GGG

It’s a 10 - 1 difference in terms of wattage.

I think it would be interesting if the grid could shut off certain chargers as cars like Teslas are connected. Just send out a conserve power command and you disable charging during key periods.

You could significantly reduce peak load requirements like that. Or even better is if you could switch them into supply mode to the grid. 40kWh x 1000,000 cars would be 40,000 mWh or about 4 hours of full grid capacity or 40 hrs of 10% top up. Lots of issues with it and even at peak pricing that 40kWh was only worth $40 so maybe not enough incentive but in future it could be an interesting back up source.

I think the ultimate solution includes distributed generation and storage (e.g. home solar and EVs) all managed grid-wide to optimize capacity and cost.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I think the ultimate solution includes distributed generation and storage (e.g. home solar and EVs) all managed grid-wide to optimize capacity and cost.

This. EVs should absolutely be charged at off-peak times (and to incent that we need time of day pricing) so they generally shouldn't have a major impact at times of peak usage.

But take it a step further and they could also be seen as an asset if they were bi-directional and could feedback to the grid. Essentially you've got a bunch of batteries sitting on wheels that you could theoretically call upon during peak demand.

[Fuzz]

I'd never subject my EV to that, given the issues with batteries. Not worth the risk. The more you charge and discharge, the less life they will have and the more risk you have of cells going out of balance taking out your entire pack.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'd never subject my EV to that, given the issues with batteries. Not worth the risk. The more you charge and discharge, the less life they will have and the more risk you have of cells going out of balance taking out your entire pack.

Good news - we would only need a fraction of EV owners to sign up for whatever incentive system is provided to pay you for your storage. As we all switch over to EVs hopefully technology progresses and degradation becomes less as an issue.

Paper in Nature contemplated this and found only 20-40% was required to make a significant dent in the amount of storage we need to build out.

However, there are other factors that may limit real-world available storage capacity, primarily the vehicle-to-grid participation rate. Not all EV consumers will necessarily participate in the market and the participation rate is defined as the percentage of the technical vehicle to grid capacity connected to the grid, as shown in Fig. 3b. Participation rates of 38% and 20% are required to satisfy short-term storage demands of 10 TWh in 2050 (for STEP-NCX and SD-NCX scenarios, respectively). In practice, it is likely that EVs with high battery capacities and low degradation will be used for providing vehicle-to-grid services since these will provide the highest revenue for EV owners26 (the full battery capacity distributions by 2050 across countries/regions are available in Supplementary Figs. 11–15).

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-35393-0

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'd never subject my EV to that, given the issues with batteries. Not worth the risk. The more you charge and discharge, the less life they will have and the more risk you have of cells going out of balance taking out your entire pack.

It probably won't be long once mass adoption of EVs occurs that you won't have a choice. The government knows best and will control the flow of electrons in and out of your vehicle if it is plugged in.

[stazzy33]

8:00 AM:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1746913141127344234

9:30 AM:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1746930590384083120

So you're telling me that wind/solar help? I'll be...

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Torture

This. EVs should absolutely be charged at off-peak times (and to incent that we need time of day pricing) so they generally shouldn't have a major impact at times of peak usage.

But take it a step further and they could also be seen as an asset if they were bi-directional and could feedback to the grid. Essentially you've got a bunch of batteries sitting on wheels that you could theoretically call upon during peak demand.

If the utility subsidizes the ev somehow then yeah they can manage the battery within contractual limits. The reality is that 90% of typical usage doesn’t require anywhere near full charge. If your planning a trip then opt out of dual use the day before.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by stazzy33

So you're telling me that wind/solar help? I'll be...

You shut your dirty clean energy mouth…

[Fuzz]

2050? That's more than 10 years away, so we should have cold fusion self driving flying cars by then.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by edslunch

If the utility subsidizes the ev somehow then yeah they can manage the battery within contractual limits. The reality is that 90% of typical usage doesn’t require anywhere near full charge. If your planning a trip then opt out of dual use the day before.

"Karen, did you leave the ####ing Tesla on grid battery mode all night again??? You know I have to drive to Calgary today, and now it only has 45% charge! I'm gonna have to stop in ####ing Red Dear again! Ugh!"

[Mazrim]

If I've learned anything from this cold snap, it's that a ton of people who don't own EVs think they'd need a 100% charge on an EV for a daily commute.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

If I've learned anything from this cold snap, it's that a ton of people who don't own EVs think they'd need a 100% charge on an EV for a daily commute.

Go on....

I mean, without the sort of condescending tone. Because the thing is, I'm the kind of guy who charges his phone all night even though its at 88%.

Done using headphones? Charge them.

Knowing that EV's range can change based on uncontrollable circumstances? I dont like that.