[Rumour] Jacob Markstrom...rumour? <Kevin Weekes does dumb eyeball thing on X>

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by chummer

Well to quote our old friend Spurs, someone is lying here.

The most credible NHL insider in the media. Or anonymous rando who communicates mainly in GIFs.

Tough call.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The must plugged in NHL insider in the media. Or random anonymous dude on a forum.

Tough call.

Kevin Weekes also pointing at Markstrom.

What Friedman said is simply that the Flames aren't going to give Markstrom away.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Kevin Weekes also pointing at Markstrom.

What Friedman said is simply that the Flames aren't going to give Markstrom away.

What he is saying is that someone would have to vastly overpay for the Flames to even consider bringing it up to Markstrom, then they would have to see if he wants to go to that team. As I have said before, Markstrom loves the team and the city, I just don't see him moving.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Very rare that you see blockbuster trade deadline deals involving goalies. Last one was 2014 for Ryan Miller (hard to believe that’s 10 years ago).

I hope I’m wrong but I’m skeptical.

Excellent starting goalies are rarely available at the trade deadline. This is an unusual situation.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What he is saying is that someone would have to vastly overpay for the Flames to even consider bringing it up to Markstrom, then they would have to see if he wants to go to that team. As I have said before, Markstrom loves the team and the city, I just don't see him moving.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1746350342974173531

He is saying Calgary has a high bar value-wise, and that it would have to be somewhere they believe Markstrom would want to go before they approach him.

Sec has said the Flames have had conversations with him about possibly where he would be willing to accept a trade (somewhere with a contending window).

Weekes put out a rumour'ish tweet out about Marky.

That's what we know. We'll see if something happens, if something does - it means the Flames are getting good value back and it's to somewhere Marky would like to go.

So, it's status quo or a Win-Win situation with the Flames and Marky.

To me, trading Markstrom makes a lot of sense. Vladar seemingly doesn't have a market out there of note, and the Flames need to promote Wolf soon if they want to continue down this road of rewarding young players when they deserve it. So yeah, if they can get a good return (and they should be able to)...win-win.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1746350342974173531

He is saying Calgary has a high bar value-wise, and that it would have to be somewhere they believe Markstrom would want to go before they approach him.

Sec has said the Flames have had conversations with him about possibly where he would be willing to accept a trade (somewhere with a contending window).

Weekes put out a rumour'ish tweet out about Marky.

That's what we know. We'll see if something happens, if something does - it means the Flames are getting good value back and it's to somewhere Marky would like to go.

So, it's status quo or a Win-Win situation with the Flames and Marky.

To me, trading Markstrom makes a lot of sense. Vladar seemingly doesn't have a market out there of note, and the Flames need to promote Wolf soon if they want to continue down this road of rewarding young players when they deserve it. So yeah, if they can get a good return (and they should be able to)...win-win.

Here is what I know and have said all along, unless someone vastly overpays and they can convince Markstrom to waive his NMC he isn't going anywhere. Will the team listen if someone calls in him? Sure, you always listen. Is anyone going to make the kind of offer I believe it would take for Conroy to even approach Markstrom about moving? Highly highly unlikely.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The must credible NHL insider in the media. Or anonymous rando who communicates mainly in GIFs.

Tough call.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The must credible NHL insider in the media. Or anonymous rando who communicates mainly in GIFs.

Tough call.

First, classless post.

Second, they can both be correct, they are not contradicting each other

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Here is what I know and have said all along, unless someone vastly overpays and they can convince Markstrom to waive his NMC he isn't going anywhere. Will the team listen if someone calls in him? Sure, you always listen. Is anyone going to make the kind of offer I believe it would take for Conroy to even approach Markstrom about moving? Highly highly unlikely.

I think this is a smart way to go about it for Conroy. If Markstrom keeps this up, he’ll likely be in the Vezina conversation at the end of the season. He might not win it because guys like Demko have been so solid all season but he should be getting some votes by the end of the year.

I know it’s rare these days for goalies to get a good haul in a trade but it’s also very rare for goalies that are playing as well as Markstrom to get traded. And it’s also rare for so many good teams to be looking for goaltending help this far into a season (e.g. Toronto, New Jersey, Carolina, LA and Colorado). It’s a bit of a perfect storm of a sellers market for a top goalie in the NHL… even more so if Conroy is willing/able to retain some of his salary. His price should high… if someone is willing to pay up then great. If not, having Markstrom stick around will be great too.

If the flames end up keeping Markstrom I think it will be good for Wolf. Next year, it could go 55-60 games for Markstrom and 22-27 games for Wolf with some sheltered games worked in to protect Wolf’s development into an NHL starter. The following season (Markstrom’s last year under contract), it could switch to prettty much an even split between the two with Wolf hopefully getting close to 40 games. This would ease Wolf into becoming a starter as the year after that, they could sign a solid backup (maybe it’s still Markstrom by then) to play around 30 games while Wolf plays around 50 games.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Here is what I know and have said all along, unless someone vastly overpays and they can convince Markstrom to waive his NMC he isn't going anywhere. Will the team listen if someone calls in him? Sure, you always listen. Is anyone going to make the kind of offer I believe it would take for Conroy to even approach Markstrom about moving? Highly highly unlikely.

Are ‘high bar’ and ‘vastly overpay’ the same thing? I don’t think so.

High bar, or very high bar to be specific. implies to me that a deal could be made but the Flames are not necessarily looking to do so. In other words, the Flames are not approaching other teams. They will consider offers if the price is attractive enough and they’re comfortable Markstrom would agree to go. I also wouldn’t dismiss the thought that having Friedman publicize this at this point, ~8 weeks from TDL, could be a smoke signal to other GM’s to step up if interested.

Vastly overpay to me implies there is no deal to be made as no other GM would, or should, vastly overpay for any asset. Vastly overpay would be like going to McDonalds and saying ‘Hello, I would like a Big Mac, how much is that?’ ‘Well, sir, for you, a Big Mac will be $78.00’. Basically Conroy would be saying to other GM’s, ‘don’t bother, and GFY’, which, I think, is absolutely the wrong position to take for the Flames.

If there is legitimately to the Flames wanting to retool/rebuild or simply get younger, I would be a bit surprised if a Markstrom trade isnt being taken a little more seriously. The time to make room for Wolf, full time, should probably happen before the deadline passes and should certainly happen before the start of next year, however that looks. Trading Markstrom should most definitely be on the table.

Vastly overpay, or massive overpay, is quickly becoming the new ‘immediately fired’ parlance for strong opinions. These reactionary proclamations people like to make are a little over the top. Not intended to pick on this post alone because a fair share of posters talk in this way but whenever I see this type of stuff it kinda works in the opposite direction it is intended to.

[devo22]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1746545471571505514


doubt anything happens, but right now, his value must be higher than it has been in forever. If someone wants to overpay ...

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

First, classless post.

Second, they can both be correct, they are not contradicting each other

Is it classless to believe to a random anonymous person on CP who seems to crave attention might be making stuff up?

Sec214: “One of my sources is sending me information that the flames have engaged Markstrom on his willingness to waive his NMC.”

Friedman: “I don’t believe they’ve gone to him with anything, any possibility of what could happen.” He goes on to say the Flames would have to be presented with a incredible deal before they’d even approach Markstrom to talk about waiving his NMC.

I get that people enjoy Sec214’s stuff because it’s fun to believe a genuine insider is leaking info on this site. But if someone has to be a jerk not to buy into it, I guess I’m a jerk.

[bluejays]

A dose of skepticism online isn't ever a bad thing. You're not a jerk for being skeptical. For the record I think Sec's insider edge is real, but being a skeptic isn't a bad thing at all.

[bzoo02]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Is it classless to believe to a random anonymous person on CP who seems to crave attention might be making stuff up?

Sec214: “One of my sources is sending me information that the flames have engaged Markstrom on his willingness to waive his NMC.”

Friedman: “I don’t believe they’ve gone to him with anything, any possibility of what could happen.” He goes no to say the Flames would have to be presented with a incredible deal before they’d even approach Markstrom to talk about waiving his NMC.

I get that people enjoy Sec214’s stuff because it’s fun to believe a genuine insider is leaking info on this site. But if someone has to be a jerk not to buy into it, I guess I’m a jerk.

You do realise Sec214 can both post inside info they're hearing and have fun on a fan message board right?

If the way they post their info bugs you, feel free to mute. I'd say most here enjoy it.

Let Sec cook.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by getbak

This is what Sec214 said...



I don't think this is incompatible with what Elliotte said tonight.

I think it makes sense if they haven't asked him to waive his NMC and won't do so unless someone blows their socks off, but they've also talked to him about his willingness to waive and what it would take for him to do so.

The flames can be ultra respectful of Markstrom’s contract and NMC and still do this. In fact, I’d be shocked if they haven’t. It’d be mismanagement to not at least know the option is there based on the goaltending situation around the league right now

[Remember1989]

Wouldn’t it be mismanagement on the Flames part to not have had a discussion with Markstrom before his name got bandied about on X and HNIC? If they did get out in front of it with him then what was said and how it was said to him, is what is up for debate and up for characterization. From the perspective of a player who is important to the org, I certainly hope something was said before all of this attention came about.

[PepsiFree]

Gee, I wonder how the Flames would know where Markstrom would “absolutely want to go” if they haven’t talked to him about it.

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Is it classless to believe to a random anonymous person on CP who seems to crave attention might be making stuff up?

Sec214: “One of my sources is sending me information that the flames have engaged Markstrom on his willingness to waive his NMC.”

Friedman: “I don’t believe they’ve gone to him with anything, any possibility of what could happen.” He goes no to say the Flames would have to be presented with a incredible deal before they’d even approach Markstrom to talk about waiving his NMC.

I get that people enjoy Sec214’s stuff because it’s fun to believe a genuine insider is leaking info on this site. But if someone has to be a jerk not to buy into it, I guess I’m a jerk.

Darn, so close to figuring it out. Even nailed the conclusion, just couldn’t quite connect the dots on the way there.

[kehatch]

Teams use insiders to help create a market or individual value. Friedman's message publically tempers some of the hype around "Markstrom is being traded" and basically says "he might be available for a big price."

The Flames are in an interesting spot. They are good enough to make the playoffs but marginal enough to finish bottom 10. They are an older team with pending free agents at key positions. Even if they can extend players, that makes them a more expensive version of the older marginal team they are. Losing the free agents for nothing drops them from marginal to poor without anything tk show for it.

Conroy will try and be creative. Turn the Toffoli's to the Sharongovich's is an example. But extending Hanafin and trading Markstrom could be a clever move. Hanafin is young and Wolf is ready for the NHL. You move an older expensive contract out for a solid return and get younger in the process.

Yes it sucks to lose Markstrom this season, but losing Hanafin AND Tanev would be giving up on the season anyway. You can't keep everyone to just maybe make the playoffs this season.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I think this is a smart way to go about it for Conroy. If Markstrom keeps this up, he’ll likely be in the Vezina conversation at the end of the season. He might not win it because guys like Demko have been so solid all season but he should be getting some votes by the end of the year.

I know it’s rare these days for goalies to get a good haul in a trade but it’s also very rare for goalies that are playing as well as Markstrom to get traded. And it’s also rare for so many good teams to be looking for goaltending help this far into a season (e.g. Toronto, New Jersey, Carolina, LA and Colorado). It’s a bit of a perfect storm of a sellers market for a top goalie in the NHL… even more so if Conroy is willing/able to retain some of his salary. His price should high… if someone is willing to pay up then great. If not, having Markstrom stick around will be great too.

If the flames end up keeping Markstrom I think it will be good for Wolf. Next year, it could go 55-60 games for Markstrom and 22-27 games for Wolf with some sheltered games worked in to protect Wolf’s development into an NHL starter. The following season (Markstrom’s last year under contract), it could switch to prettty much an even split between the two with Wolf hopefully getting close to 40 games. This would ease Wolf into becoming a starter as the year after that, they could sign a solid backup (maybe it’s still Markstrom by then) to play around 30 games while Wolf plays around 50 games.

This is probably not the last season the Flames could trade Markstrom for a decent haul. Having him here for at least next year until The deadline to mentor Wolf is not the worst idea in the world. If someone blows your socks off this year you could trade him for a haul as well.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by devo22

https://twitter.com/user/status/1746545471571505514


doubt anything happens, but right now, his value must be higher than it has been in forever. If someone wants to overpay ...

Scroll down on that tweet and you'll see Vladar is 8th worst in the same category. The brass better be sure that Wolf can contribute meaningful minutes if they trade Markstrom away. I wouldn't want to run with Vladar other than as a tandem goalie.

The other goalies at the very bottom of the list are Korpisalo in Ottawa, who has seemingly tanked their season single-handedly, and then the other trade destination teams: Samsonov in Toronto (now in minors), Vanecek in Jersey, and Raanta in Carolina.

The only reason this is still a significant possibility is because there are three legitimately good playoff teams that do not have a halfway decent goaltender, and I don't think each of them will waste their season by not going out to get someone, even if it sacrifices their future. If Conroy plays this right, he could get an absolute haul of picks/prospects for Markstrom, especially if he retains some salary on top of it. Expect a cap dump to come back as well to make things work.

I think if you can vastly improve the team's future by moving him now, you have to take a really serious look at it. UFA's be damned, this is the team's top asset right now, especially given the current goaltending landscape.