It's one of those trades where you took a buy low chance and it was smart.
In the 2022 offseason nobody would have expected the Devils to trade Sharangovich.
He had 40 goals and 76 points in his first 130 NHL games and was 23 years old (25 goals and 48 points per 82).
Had you proposed Toffoli for Sharangovich + 3rd after the 2022 offseason you probably would have been called a homer.
But then after the 22-23 season you had Sharangovich have a rough season, Toffoli had a career season (with the team PP / offense structured around him) and all of a sudden it looks like a bad deal.
But really if you look at the bigger picture instead of just the previous 82 game season sample then things make sense, especially when you're the team receiving the younger player.
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It's the type of trade that accelerates a rebuild. You get a much younger, cost-controlled player who has already successfully stepped into a top 6 role. Yeah everyone loves first round picks because they're sexy to get in a trade, but the reality is with the late pick any contender would've maybe given up, you'd be pretty happy if they turned out to be a player like Sharangovich. And you'd also have to wait 3-5 years for it to happen.
Even if you don't want to necessarily accelerate a rebuild, if you aren't getting the deals you want, getting back a piece that can act like a placeholder asset for future moves is not a bad thing. It's all part of ongoing asset management.
If they weren't getting the futures they wanted for Toffoli, such as a prospect or higher picks, then getting back a player who can progress and be traded at a point the market improves, isn't a bad gamble to take. It buys a little more time for the market to improve.
I don't know if that was part of the thinking with Sharangovich at the time. For all I know, he is a guy that Conroy has been watching and sees him as a long term piece of the puzzle.
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Man there are some beauty first takes on the first two pages of this and from most of the expected crew.
I stand by it.
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I think it was a fair response given the time of the trade. It was on back to back days where Hall and Toffoli were moved - and those two trades effectively set the market, and it was waaay softer than I expected it to be. We then saw the further erosion of the value of forwards/the trade market as a whole never really developed (due to cap).
At the time, I still stand by the reaction - and through the first month and a half of this season, it looked on point. Since then? Sharangovich has been fire. Very cool to see this develop into such a very clear "W" for Connie and the Flames in the short term. Even if Sharangovich (unlikely) goes on to drop off next season, the whole idea of acquiring Toffoli was short term need for the Devils...and Sharangovich's play has erased that, and oh - he came with a 3rd.
I think it was a fair response given the time of the trade. It was on back to back days where Hall and Toffoli were moved - and those two trades effectively set the market, and it was waaay softer than I expected it to be. We then saw the further erosion of the value of forwards/the trade market as a whole never really developed (due to cap).
At the time, I still stand by the reaction - and through the first month and a half of this season, it looked on point. Since then? Sharangovich has been fire. Very cool to see this develop into such a very clear "W" for Connie and the Flames in the short term. Even if Sharangovich (unlikely) goes on to drop off next season, the whole idea of acquiring Toffoli was short term need for the Devils...and Sharangovich's play has erased that, and oh - he came with a 3rd.
All good man ... we have to have differing views.
But the quick drive bys on that first page with dramatic, instant and short know it all negative opinions were tiresome that day, and hilarious now.
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Sharangovich is a good pickup ... terrific shot. Would be very curious to see him on Huberdeau's wing.
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Originally Posted by Mitch
Thats a good trade, sharongovich is a good young forward. Always stood out when I watched NJ. And 3rds in this draft are valuable.
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Sharangovich is 25-year-old 6'2" centre who has produced around 0.5 pts/GP in each of his first three NHL seasons.
I like it.
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
He’s got a wicked shot and he was under-utilized last year. Great piece for Calgary.
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Originally Posted by AC
From what I remember seeing, Sharangovich could be a Duclair type winger for Huberdeau based on his speed and skill.
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Originally Posted by SoCalFlamesFan
Sharangovich coming into his prime. Great shot and given some freedom could be a 25 goal scorer a season. I think he improved his two way play but still has some inconsistency in his game. Gets the Flames 6 years younger - and keeps them competitive with a player who has shown in flashes that there is some real upside there. Feels like a gamble but not an uneducated one.
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Originally Posted by Sandman
I like this trade very much. Replaces an older player with a 25 yo 6’2” shooter who can play C. Good job, Conny!
We got bigger, younger, and faster today.
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
We heard they were looking at younger players or prospects that were close. Why are people surprised that's when they went and did?
I don't know how good Sharangovich will be but he's produced at times and still is young. So they reset the asset clock which is positive. Could they have gotten a late 1st or something? Beats me.
Happy that they are making moves that at least has some eye on the future.
Those thinking that the Flames were actually going to do a full re-build are going to continue to be upset and bash their heads against a wall. As one does.
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Originally Posted by Toonage
I figured Toffoli would bring back a 2nd and a 3rd so this checks out. For me anyway. Watched the Devils a fair bit. Sharangovich is noticeable. In a good way. Need players to round out the roster, not just kids from the farm. Good deal
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
I do not hate this at all, and I'm as cynical about the Flames as anyone you'll ever meet.
Sharangovich isn't gonna be a core piece but he's a good player. He probably has the best shot of anyone in the entire organization. Really curious to see what he can do.
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Such strong opinions for someone a lot are clearly ignorant about...
We all know what Tyler Toffoli is, and he's not a 75 point guy. This year was clearly the outlier and other teams know that
Sharangovich put up nearly identical numbers to Toffoli in his first 2 NHL seasons, and is a comparable player in that he's big and has an elite shot
Yegor though offers a lot more speed/agility and he uses his size more than Toffoli. He's not a powerforward but he gets involved a lot more than Toffoli who is exclusively a perimeter shooter
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Initial thought?
Zero retention is great. That's a full load off the cap, some wiggle room.
Sharangovich is fast, has a wicked shot. Tangible traits we have been crying for. Speed!
He will fit in a fast tempo structure.
The 3rd is nice to have back.
Comparing the trade in which we got Toffoli is stupid. Different GM, different situations.
Ppl saying Conroy got fleeced are crazy.
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Originally Posted by sch19lks
I wonder how many posters that don’t like this trade have actually watched Sharangovich play.
He’ll be a fan favourite by Christmas
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
To some extent, this is similar to when the Flames got Lindholm and Hanifin.
Most hated that trade, but they got 12 years of Lindholm and Hanifin for 2 years of Hamilton and 1 year of Ferland.
We’ll get multiple years out of Shar for 1 year of Toffoli.
Calgary needed to get younger and cheaper, and they accomplished that.
They were never in the short term going to get younger, cheaper and better.
No one was willing to give up a first round pick for Toffoli.
Taylor Hall was given away for free. Should Toffoli actually have been worth so much more?
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Originally Posted by Ferarri
Flames always said they were going to take the best offer on the table. It's not like they chose this deal over better offers and left assets on the table. The market dictated Tofoli's worth and this ended up being it. People saying we should have waited until the trade deadline underestimate the potential for Tofoli to have a bad year and really diminish his marketability.
I personally know nothing about the guy we got in return other than a quick google search and what others have said about him. This isn't a homerun trade for Conroy but people are being overly critical of the deal. The expectation of getting a first round pick or a huge haul just aren't feasible when being dealt this deck of cards. If a player wants out and requests a trade you are negotiating from a position of weakness. Other teams know this.
Patience is key and I think fans will be pleasantly surprised with what we got back.
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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
Younger, faster.........check.
Save cap space.........check.
Add in a draft pick.......check.
I'm really not hating this deal.
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I am quite excited for Sharangovich, this is the exact type of player you should be trading for in hopes of him exploding. From what I have read from Devils fans about him in the middle of last season and closer to the end, was that he was playing the same way as the year he got 24 goals and 22 assists, and that his demotion in ice time and power play time was not due to him regressing but rather to Devils having one of the most stacked offenses in the league.
In 2021-2022 he had 24 G and 22 A with 16:30 TOI/G and 1.13 PP TOI/G and 14% SH%. This went down to 13G and 17 A with 14:25 TOI/G and 0.05 PP TOI/G (!!!) and 10% SH% in 2022-2023. He had 0 power play points.
He started off the year with 14 points in 23 games on pace for 50 points (October and November) with ice time being around 15 min/game. His ice time would go from 15-16 down to 10-11 minutes every other game in subsequent months. In December he started getting in the dog house with only 3 points in 13 games, half of the games he would be below 11 minutes/game which is basically 4th line deployment.
One of the comments I saw from the Devils fan prior to the trade was that "we do not need anymore skilled and fast forwards" and that he needs top 6 minutes, he is not bad, it is just that Devils top 6 is too good. Sounds like he is exactly what the Flames need with us having plenty of space in the top 6 and in dire need of fast, skilled and big forwards.
He should easily get 15+ minutes with the Flames, with at least second unit powerplay minutes. I think he gets 50+ next year
^ Just because I also wanna be a part of the wall of fame haha
I think it was a fair response given the time of the trade. It was on back to back days where Hall and Toffoli were moved - and those two trades effectively set the market, and it was waaay softer than I expected it to be. We then saw the further erosion of the value of forwards/the trade market as a whole never really developed (due to cap).
At the time, I still stand by the reaction - and through the first month and a half of this season, it looked on point. Since then? Sharangovich has been fire. Very cool to see this develop into such a very clear "W" for Connie and the Flames in the short term. Even if Sharangovich (unlikely) goes on to drop off next season, the whole idea of acquiring Toffoli was short term need for the Devils...and Sharangovich's play has erased that, and oh - he came with a 3rd.
sorry guy but since you are doubling down...this was obviously overboard, not to mention the pick
I stood by my take at the time, I'm not doubling down on the take today.
Also though:
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Yeah, so throw my desire/hopes of picks in this draft out the window.
I don't like this as a hockey trade based on Sharangovich's end in New Jersey. Absolutely could be wrong - as sometimes players do get that fresh start and things work, but putting Toffoli out the door for a reclamation project is rough.
I also now think (painfully) that a Hanifin/Duclair trade makes sense based on this one. That type of deal seems to be what the Flames are after.
I wanted to see a rebuild at the time of the trade because I was sick of this team reverting to being a bubble team more often than not. If you're going to go ahead and 'shame' me for an initial take...well, it's pretty damn bubbly around here.
A deal like this one is exactly what Conroy needs to try to pull off again with Tanev, possibly for a defenceman and pick in return. Other UFA deals can focus on prospects and picks.
What a great move it is turning out to be and we still only know that Suniev is promising prospect. If he pans out as a regular in 2-3 seasons, this deal is an absolute steal.
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I hate to tell you this, but I’ve just launched an air biscuit
Sharan is a really good player and I dont think the value was terrible. But look where we are. We're trending for a 10th-16th place finish and missing the playoffs again.
This team has flat lined.
I wanted a futures deal for toffoli and would still prefer thay over Sharan given the trajectory of this team.
I would still take Perreault, musty, ritchie, crystal, heidt, Nadeau, Cowan etc.. over Sharan right now. Not because he's not a really good player but it's because that's what I think this team needs.
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