[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

All Situations

Player A: GP-235 G-38 P-128
Player B: GP-205 G-53 P-106

5v5

Player A: GP-235, G-22, P-74
Player B: GP-205, G-35, P-76

Player A is Lindholm the three seasons prior to when we traded for him at 23 turning 24. Player B is Sharangovich who just turned 25.

Hopefully we can see similar upside here.

I think this is trending to be right on the money. I think Yegor and Lindholm have a lot of similarities. Both are natural centres, both thrived playing RW after joining the Flames ... boy oh boy.

[SuperMatt18]

The similarities were there and I still see it

Both guys are pretty responsible defensively (Lindholm a bit more physical and physically stronger in this sense)

Both guys had great shots and releases but didn't have super impressive on ice shooting percentage results to go with it yet.

And Neither guy is going to really dangle their way through players, or is great at creating their own shots through individual efforts.

But if you can get them on a line where they can play quick one touch passes to get them space in the slot, or if you can get them the puck in open ice off the rush...then they can both be deadly.

It's what worked with Lindholm (first on the wing with Monahan and Gaudreau; and then at Center with Tkachuk and Gaudreau)

And it's what's working with Sharky now with Huberdeau and Lindholm, and when Coleman finds him with open ice on the PK.

Not going to create their own shots via individual efforts but get them the puck in scoring areas or in the open ice, and all of a sudden their finishing talent shines through.

I'd say Lindholm a bit more physical and better defensively, and Sharangovich has silkier hands and is a bit more smooth with how he plays, but what they need to succeed offensively is similar.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by timbit

What were the Devils thinking?

They were thinking exactly what happened. Adding to their top 6 and moving out a player who wasn't working out.

Sharangovich is basically Dube, he wasn't going to be qualified.

A trade can work out for both teams. It's not a foreign concept.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

They were thinking exactly what happened. Adding to their top 6 and moving out a player who wasn't working out.

Sharangovich is basically Dube, he wasn't going to be qualified.

A trade can work out for both teams. It's not a foreign concept.

haha

Devil's could have used him when they were choking out of the playoffs, poor talent evaluation

[FlamesAddiction]

It's funny looking back at how many people had instant hate for this trade, or just the number of people who didn't know who he was, so they thought he must be no good.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's funny looking back at how many people had instant hate for this trade, or just the number of people who didn't know who he was, so they thought he must be no good.

I just wanted more for our Top Scorer. Nothing against the player, but in a desperate position I just wanted more for Toffoli.

[Flamesfan05]

Lindholm is playing better now with 2 better players on his line

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's funny looking back at how many people had instant hate for this trade, or just the number of people who didn't know who he was, so they thought he must be no good.

I think this message board is part of the problem with expectations. A good portion of the board dreams up too much for returns and that definitely happened last summer.

You can see it starting again with our pending free agents in the trade speculation thread.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I think this message board is part of the problem with expectations. A good portion of the board dreams up too much for returns and that definitely happened last summer.

You can see it starting again with our pending free agents in the trade speculation thread.

Yeah, I wanted more but thats why I dont make 'Trade Proposals' because I really dont know whats happening.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Sharangovich is basically Dube

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I'd pay real money to watch him coach an NHL game.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's funny looking back at how many people had instant hate for this trade, or just the number of people who didn't know who he was, so they thought he must be no good.

I didn't care for the return because I was hoping for at least a 1st round pick in return for what was the Flames leading scorer last season with a year left on a very team friendly deal. Also if you look at Sharangovich's stats he scores more goals than he assists on and player like that provide less value when they aren't scoring 20+ goals every season. He's certainly come on with the Flames as he's found his confidence that maybe he lost a little of last season being buried a little in the Devils forward depth. I'm happy that he's playing really well now but I'm still not sure if this guy is a cornerstone player for the organization but given the lack of talent in the Flames system he certainly helps fill a void at the present time and at 25 years old he still has some room to grow his game.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I didn't care for the return because I was hoping for at least a 1st round pick in return for what was the Flames leading scorer last season with a year left on a very team friendly deal. Also if you look at Sharangovich's stats he scores more goals than he assists on and player like that provide less value when they aren't scoring 20+ goals every season. He's certainly come on with the Flames as he's found his confidence that maybe he lost a little of last season being buried a little in the Devils forward depth. I'm happy that he's playing really well now but I'm still not sure if this guy is a cornerstone player for the organization but given the lack of talent in the Flames system he certainly helps fill a void at the present time and at 25 years old he still has some room to grow his game.

The return for a 32 year old rental never had to be a cornerstone player.

The win was not extending Toffoli full stop.

Then you do your best to maximize your return when you know you're not going to sign him.

Nobody was moving 1st round picks.

He picked up a solid 24-25 year old winger, and a pick.

The negativity around the trade at the time was never warranted. I never expected the guy to out score Toffoli this year but was still happy they moved on from Toffoli and like the return given the market.

[Geeoff]

With Connie's first trade looking looking like a W, I hope he makes more soon!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The return for a 32 year old rental never had to be a cornerstone player.

The win was not extending Toffoli full stop.

Then you do your best to maximize your return when you know you're not going to sign him.

Nobody was moving 1st round picks.

He picked up a solid 24-25 year old winger, and a pick.

The negativity around the trade at the time was never warranted. I never expected the guy to out score Toffoli this year but was still happy they moved on from Toffoli and like the return given the market.

I'm going to disagree seeing the trade was widely panned by NHL media so the criticism of the return isn't just a Flames fan take. I still think the Flames could and should have got more for him but I am also happy that Sharangovic is playing well.

[CalgarySames]

Don't get me wrong, I am extremely pleased at how Sharangovich has panned our so far this year. But I feel like from a development standpoint having Coronato with Lindholm and Huberdeau would make even bigger waves. We are likely going to see Lindholm traded and I think Coronato would benefit greatly from playing with a 2 way center like Lindholm. Would help cover some of the mistakes Coronato is likely to make as a rookie. And I think he has a much higher ceiling than Sharangovich!

That's not to say that this couldn't still happen. They could bring up Coronato and make that a reality before the TDL but it seems less and less likely as time goes on. I'd really like to see them run these lines until the TDL:

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Coronato
Zary-Kadri-Sharangovich

Post TDL:

Huberdeau-Zary-Coronato
Pelletier-Kadri-Sharangovich

Sharangovich has his legs underneath him now and I think it's well past time that Coronato was given prime time with the big club. And I really do think that Lindholm would help make that transition smooth and effective!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm going to disagree seeing the trade was widely panned by NHL media so the criticism of the return isn't just a Flames fan take. I still think the Flames could and should have got more for him but I am also happy that Sharangovic is playing well.

I didn't say it was a Flames fan thing.

I said the negativity wasn't warranted. Both here and around the league given the circumstances.

There were posters on this site suggesting he turned down better offers, which was insane.

1sts weren't available. They needed to trade a UFA before the season to get at least 1 of the 7 off the books. They took the best deal that they thought they could.

They're looking more right.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I didn't say it was a Flames fan thing.

I said the negativity wasn't warranted. Both here and around the league given the circumstances.

There were posters on this site suggesting he turned down better offers, which was insane.

1sts weren't available. They needed to trade a UFA before the season to get at least 1 of the 7 off the books. They took the best deal that they thought they could.

They're looking more right.

I do think that Conroy was very excited to acquire Sharangovich. If you watch any interviews from around the time, Conroy is gushing about the player. So, it is plausible that the Flames turned down offers which may have looked better to the media because they believed in Sharangovich.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I do think that Conroy was very excited to acquire Sharangovich. If you watch any interviews from around the time, Conroy is gushing about the player. So, it is plausible that the Flames turned down offers which may have looked better to the media because they believed in Sharangovich.

Wasn’t the next best thing a 2nd rounder and a mid prospect? I could be wrong. But no one was offering a 1st. Sharangovich and a draft round lower than a 2nd was probably the best offer tbh.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I didn't care for the return because I was hoping for at least a 1st round pick in return for what was the Flames leading scorer last season with a year left on a very team friendly deal. Also if you look at Sharangovich's stats he scores more goals than he assists on and player like that provide less value when they aren't scoring 20+ goals every season. He's certainly come on with the Flames as he's found his confidence that maybe he lost a little of last season being buried a little in the Devils forward depth. I'm happy that he's playing really well now but I'm still not sure if this guy is a cornerstone player for the organization but given the lack of talent in the Flames system he certainly helps fill a void at the present time and at 25 years old he still has some room to grow his game.

You literally just described Toffoli. Here's the thing. Sharangovich is a much better skater, and so he can contribute more in all areas of the ice, and has been pretty good on the PK. Toffoli was a great finisher, and so is Sharangovich (BTW, have you seen his shootout moves/numbers?). The difference is Sharangovich is a much more complete player and is many years younger.

Getting that for a 30-something expiring UFA and ALSO adding a 3rd round pick? I'm not sure your expectations are in line with reality if you wanted more than that.