2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Royle9]

Holtz would be my dream acquisition from NJD in a trade, Mercer a close 2nd.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I don't see any teams giving up their top prospects for UFAs. I think the expectations should be reigned in and look at some lesser prospects, but decent ones all the same. Here are some trades I would think could be worked out.

For Lindholm I think the best fit is Colorado.

To CGY
Oskar Olausson (RW - 2021 1st)
Jean-Luc Foudy (C - 2020 3rd)
2024 2nd round pick or 2024 1st round pick with retention
To COL
Elias Lindholm ($2,425,000 possible retention)

Best fit for Hanifin appears to be New Jersey.

CGY
Nolan Foote (LW - 2019 1st)
Lenni Hameenaho (RW - 2023 2nd)
Conditional 2025 1st round pick (Hanifin extension) or 2025 3rd (Hanifin unsigned)
NJD
Noah Hanifin

Where to send Markstrom is tough. I think Edmonton is desperate enough to swing a deal where they overpay for Markstrom, especially if we take back Campbell and his hit.

CGY
Philip Broberg (D - 2019 1st)
Jack Campbell (G)
2024 1st round pick
2025 1st round pick (if retention)
EDM
Jakob Markstrom ($2,000,000 if retention)

Trading Tanev is interesting. I think the Rangers could use him and might be inclined to make a solid deal for him. The other alternative is Toronto who has been sniffing around for a while.

CGY
Adam Sykora (LW - 2022 2nd)
2024 4th round pick
NYR
Christopher Tanev ($2,250,000 retained)

or

CGY
Fraser Minten (C - 2022 2nd)
2024 3rd round pick
TOR
Christopher Tanev ($2,250,000 retained)

While these deals may not be "sexy" they do recoup some good B level prospects that still have decent potential. Like I said, I doubt we're going to see any top end prospects moved so make the best of the next tier and hope a couple of them pop.

So in no deals we acquire any 1st round picks for our UFAs? Every other team every other year gets 1sts and prospects for UFAs but guess the Flames can’t…….

[Blaster86]

Lindholm's name came up a lot on Vancouver radio today in regards to that being a player that the Canucks are going to be looking at. It doesn't mean as much as it used too, as The Rutherford/Allvin regime been very tight lipped about their plans but it was weird to have every radio show bring his name up today.

I don't know if the Canucks have an offer that suits the Flames needs. It would very likely have to be something like Lekkerimakki, 2024 1st and Kuzmenko to make the dollars work. Not sure that's a price Allvin is willing to pay yet.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

The Edmonton proposal isn’t anywhere close with having to take back Campbell and retain $2MM. Taking Campbell alone is multiple 1sts.

I included two. Has that ever happened? Can you name a trade where multiple firsts were exchanged for eating a contract? I doubt you're going to get more than two picks. You might squeeze another player or prospect out of them, but they don't have a helluva lot of interest that they would be willing to give up. Maybe work a 2nd in there? But this idea of multiple first rounders is unfounded IMO and extremely unlikely to happen. Getting two may be a stretch.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I included two. Has that ever happened? Can you name a trade where multiple firsts were exchanged for eating a contract? I doubt you're going to get more than two picks. You might squeeze another player or prospect out of them, but they don't have a helluva lot of interest that they would be willing to give up. Maybe work a 2nd in there? But this idea of multiple first rounders is unfounded IMO and extremely unlikely to happen. Getting two may be a stretch.

What is another contract as bad as Campbell’s that has ever moved? There is a reason there are none.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

How can you possibly still be saying this?

Did he run over your dog?

Forget Palat and that trade proposal for a moment.

How much do you think Markstrom is worth? If he has positive value at 2.5x$6M, what would be zero value? 3.5x$9M?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

What is another contract as bad as Campbell’s that has ever moved? There is a reason there are none.

Lots of ugly contracts have been moved, just none of them for a handful of draft picks like you're hoping for. Campbell may be product of the Oilers and their gawd awful system with zero defense. If they're willing to give you a couple of picks he might be a really good risk to take and hope for a bounce back on another team. Prior to Edmonton he was a pretty consistent performer. He bounces back he might turn out to be found money. If not, you buy him out after playing him for a year. I thought we were building all this cap space for purposes like this? You would get two 1st round picks and a top four defenseman for Markstrom and eating a cap hit of under $2.5M for two years and then under $1.4 for another two. That's how you use that cap space to your advantage.

[butterfly]

It is funny how Palat fell off the cliff after an age 30 season. Unsurprisingly.

But remember, “the cap is going up” and “that contract was only meant to be meaningful in the first season and a half”. “Everybody knew it would be bad later on”!

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Lots of ugly contracts have been moved, just none of them for a handful of draft picks like you're hoping for. Campbell may be product of the Oilers and their gawd awful system with zero defense. If they're willing to give you a couple of picks he might be a really good risk to take and hope for a bounce back on another team. Prior to Edmonton he was a pretty consistent performer. He bounces back he might turn out to be found money. If not, you buy him out after playing him for a year. I thought we were building all this cap space for purposes like this? You would get two 1st round picks and a top four defenseman for Markstrom and eating a cap hit of under $2.5M for two years and then under $1.4 for another two. That's how you use that cap space to your advantage.

Broberg is a bust, likely worth 3rd round pick maybe at this point. You maybe do that deal with the two firsts without retaining on Markstrom. Broberg can’t even crack the line up for one of the worst defensive groups in the league.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Broberg is a bust, likely worth 3rd round pick maybe at this point. You maybe do that deal with the two firsts without retaining on Markstrom. Broberg can’t even crack the line up for one of the worst defensive groups in the league.

Who would give up a 3rd round pick for that? We got that for Zadorov.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Lindholm's name came up a lot on Vancouver radio today in regards to that being a player that the Canucks are going to be looking at. It doesn't mean as much as it used too, as The Rutherford/Allvin regime been very tight lipped about their plans but it was weird to have every radio show bring his name up today.

I don't know if the Canucks have an offer that suits the Flames needs. It would very likely have to be something like Lekkerimakki, 2024 1st and Kuzmenko to make the dollars work. Not sure that's a price Allvin is willing to pay yet.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Rutherford has a pretty rich history of acquiring deadline rentals. Perhaps it's because he's often been on good teams.

I don't know if the Canucks will acquire Lindholm, but I do think they'll be pretty active. And Allvin is quite active as a GM in the first place.

What is certain is that Hanifin won't be able to refuse Conroy's next offer when it's -38 C on Friday. It's just too wonderful.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Broberg is a bust, likely worth 3rd round pick maybe at this point. You maybe do that deal with the two firsts without retaining on Markstrom. Broberg can’t even crack the line up for one of the worst defensive groups in the league.

Two first round picks for Markstrom? On what planet? Goaltenders rarely get moved for high picks let alone two 1st rounders.

I think you're also very premature calling Broberg a bust. Edmonton is terrible for developing defenseman and Broberg is young enough to turn it around. I think your dislike for the Oilers has tainted your ability to reason.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

BOS - 2011

• Retool Years: 05-07, most of their best work was done with 2nd round picks. Boston also switched between being bad and the murky middle from the mid 90s(Thorton) and the early 2000s.
• Top 10 picks and assets: Kessel(5)
• Top 10 busts: Hamill(8)
• First rounders outside the top 10: N/A

Boston seems like the only exception, with Vegas being a special case. That said, Boston still had 2 2nd round picks in 2003, 04, and 06, which helped them draft a large chunk of their core.

I know he didn't have much impact in them winning their Cup, which may be why you didn't list him but, Tyler Seguin.

[bluejays]

The UFAs have to get dealt before the season end. That is table stakes. Anyone else off-season and next year. Stagger the rebuild into multiple seasons to draft in multiple drafts for staggering contracts.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Two first round picks for Markstrom? On what planet? Goaltenders rarely get moved for high picks let alone two 1st rounders.

I think you're also very premature calling Broberg a bust. Edmonton is terrible for developing defenseman and Broberg is young enough to turn it around. I think your dislike for the Oilers has tainted your ability to reason.

If you are taking Campbell it absolutely is that cost.

[Vinny01]

I am not interested in trading Markstrom immediately unless the offer coming back is significant like a team looking to acquire a top 7 goalie in the league. He hasn’t been perfect but has shown that when he is on he can be one of the very best and he also has a solid reputation as a teammate and competitor. It is because of that I wouldn’t be opposed to running a Markstrom-Wolf tandem for a good chunk of this season and next and look to move Marky with one year left on his deal. Maybe a deadline move next year? If he is moving now I want a big return.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Lindholm's name came up a lot on Vancouver radio today in regards to that being a player that the Canucks are going to be looking at. It doesn't mean as much as it used too, as The Rutherford/Allvin regime been very tight lipped about their plans but it was weird to have every radio show bring his name up today.

I don't know if the Canucks have an offer that suits the Flames needs. It would very likely have to be something like Lekkerimakki, 2024 1st and Kuzmenko to make the dollars work. Not sure that's a price Allvin is willing to pay yet.

I would be happy with that return.

[Sandman]

I would be extatic with that return.

[dammage79]

Kuzmenko is kind of a risk isn't he?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Lindholm's name came up a lot on Vancouver radio today in regards to that being a player that the Canucks are going to be looking at. It doesn't mean as much as it used too, as The Rutherford/Allvin regime been very tight lipped about their plans but it was weird to have every radio show bring his name up today.

I don't know if the Canucks have an offer that suits the Flames needs. It would very likely have to be something like Lekkerimakki, 2024 1st and Kuzmenko to make the dollars work. Not sure that's a price Allvin is willing to pay yet.

I wish you were the gm of Vancouver . Pretty sure conroy would say yes and had lindholm driven to airport before you hanged up.