beside the fact that comparing the NHL to McDonalds makes zero sense whatsoever, nobody is forcing anyone. You don't have to play for the team that drafted you, and it's funny that you have to explain that very concept on a Flames board after closely watching the Tom Erixons and Adam Foxes of this world.
You have to play for the team that owns your rights, and and when someone like this Gauthier kid pushes the issue and advocates for his right to determine is own economic situation, I have to read through ten pages of old white guys complaining about how kids these days need to get in line and be appreciative of the players that came before them.
If your point about Lindros is "there's more to hockey than points" then stop using points-per-game as an argument for why he was one of the greatest of all time. Or at the very least don't be surprised when people poke holes in your argument with statistics.
Come on now
I am saying the points are basically equal, Lindros had something that no other generational star ever had though which would have potentially put him ahead
That was a response to a post that was supposedly shutting me down because Lindros had one less point
Its a matter of opinion but Lindros was bigger and stronger than any of those guys...skills were similar
IMO and I can't stress this enough IMO he would have been the most dominant player of all time without the concussion issues
I watched him live in the mid 90s and I have never seen a player dominate like that.
I have seen all the others live too, I'm guessing some of you are just going by hockey DB
well Gauthier didn't just turn the Flyers down, he basically cut the cord and refused to even speak to them, just months after saying things like "I was born to a Flyer". That will obviously lead to criticism, and I don't think that's unwarranted.
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Lindros wasn't just a player, he was a FORCE. One of my favorites of all time. Not only was he an elite offensive player, but he was also an intimidating presence, a devasting hitter, and could beat the hell out of the best enforcers of the day. Shame that the concussions derailed his career, but he's still 21st all-time in pts/gp.
You have to play for the team that owns your rights, and and when someone like this Gauthier kid pushes the issue and advocates for his right to determine is own economic situation, I have to read through ten pages of old white guys complaining about how kids these days need to get in line and be appreciative of the players that came before them.
No, you don’t. You can not sign with that team. College players do that enough that you should know that, but any player can do the same thing and sign with whoever they want after age 20.
Regardless of the guy's attitude, surely you'd agree that people should have the right to choose where they work?
might as well nuke the trade speculation thread then. This is just not how this works and comparing NHL contracts to Joe Schmoe working a regular job just makes no sense.
why are you guys responding to this? It is pure trolling. Without a draft, there is no league. Full stop. There is nothing to discuss here.
As long as you have a cap - it would be fine. Players may want to play in Southern California, Miami or New York, but they aren't going to do it for league minimum if Calgary/Winnipeg offers more money. The hot destinations would likely cap themselves out and it would probably end up working out similar to how it does now
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As long as you have a cap - it would be fine. Players may want to play in Southern California, Miami or New York, but they aren't going to do it for league minimum if Calgary/Winnipeg offers more money. The hot destinations would likely cap themselves out and it would probably end up working out similar to how it does now
So are you suggesting no ELC and 18 year olds are able to get UFA contracts? Bedard could have signed for $10Mx8 this past summer?
If all the top picks are signing ELC with the team of their choice the cap is largely irrelevant and markets like Calgary would be beyond screwed compared to the big market/warm/tax free locations that have a ton of advantages over the Flames
So are you suggesting no ELC and 18 year olds are able to get UFA contracts? Bedard could have signed for $10Mx8 this past summer?
If all the top picks are signing ELC with the team of their choice the cap is largely irrelevant and markets like Calgary would be beyond screwed compared to the big market/warm/tax free locations that have a ton of advantages over the Flames
That may happen initially, but if there is a salary cap it will even out. Its not like every free agent signs in LA.
you never know. Gaudreau was arguably the biggest UFA to hit the market in years, and he went to Columbus of all places. Markets like L.A. and N.Y. will always have an edge, but as long as there's a draft and a salary cap, smaller markets still have a chance to compete.
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Joining a league isn't the same as just choosing a job. If you join a league or association, you agree to follow the rules when you join. Legally, sure, you can act in poor faith and force teams to accommodate your wishes, but it's a crappy thing to do.
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Lindros was an absolute beast, he could have had zero points and impacted the game big time
Career Points per Game (when Forsberg retired)
1. Wayne Gretzky 1.92
2. Mario Lemieux 1.88
3. Mike Bossy 1.50
4. Bobby Orr 1.39
5. Marcel Dionne 1.31
6. Peter Stastny 1.27 7. Peter Forsberg 1.25
8. Kent Nilsson 1.24
9. Phil Esposito 1.24
10. Guy Lafleur 1.20
Career Assists per Game (when Forsberg retired)
1. Wayne Gretzky 1.32
2. Mario Lemieux 1.13
3. Bobby Orr 0.98 4. Peter Forsberg 0.90
5. Peter Stastny 0.81
You made the argument that "if Lindros didn't have injury issues, he'd be up there with Wayne and Mario."
But Forsberg also had injury issues, played less games than Lindros did and actually DID finish "up there with Wayne and Mario."
Oh, and for anyone not sure if Peter Forsberg was "feared" by his opponents. Yes, yes he was.
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Ironically, having your career shortened by injusry actually HELPS your career PPG stats, because you miss out on the later years that pull the average down. Forsberg and Lindros both benefitted from that.
As did Bobby Orr.
I might be the biggest Orr fan here, but his being 4th on that list is aided by the fact that he only played 36 games after the spring that he turned 27.
Bossy retired young as well (at 30).
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