[Signing] Willian Nylander extension (8 Years, $11.5M AAV)

[Mr.Coffee]

Dino’s right, Leafs aren’t winning #### and this contract is no good. Shoulda moved to pick up a quality D instead and try to preserve cap space. How does Knies now get locked up? Tavares’ money I guess? Just no money for D then? It’s too much in F IMO.

[Hackey]

Regardless if they win a Cup or make a deep run in the next 5 years, you lock up Nylander. Matthews and Nylander are their two most important pieces and they were able to get both signed. Almost everyone else is off the books in a year or two. Whether or not they are able to build around those two who knows, but if you need cap space for depth, Marner and Tavares are the better players to cut loose.

[dino7c]

some tunes have changed since it was suggested the Flames trade for Nylander and sign him to....NINE MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE! last summer

I like Nylander and yeah you sign him rather than lose him, Leafs don't have the stones to do what they need to do now though. Team will get bounced in the playoffs early, say "we had a really good season" and bring back the same roster with less depth next year.

Its not much of a stretch to watch these guys and have major concerns about their playoff ability

they can't win in regulation and can't keep the puck out of the net. Top offensive players have been shut down in the playoffs.

This is also a classic contract season bump if I have ever seen one

Nylander has a career high of 87 Points and has been over 61 points TWICE in his career

He is being paid like a perennial 100+ scorer. He wouldn't be making this kinda money outside of a Canadian market IMO

They absolutely should be trading Marner but they won't, it should have been done already

Leafs won't win with that core 4, it's not gonna happen

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They absolutely should be trading Marner but they won't, it should have been done already

With a NMC, I don't think that was in the Cards. Now I get he could waive, but there was zero indication he would do so.

They could have traded Nylander who had no protection, but that ship has now sailed.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Regardless if they win a Cup or make a deep run in the next 5 years, you lock up Nylander. Matthews and Nylander are their two most important pieces and they were able to get both signed. Almost everyone else is off the books in a year or two. Whether or not they are able to build around those two who knows, but if you need cap space for depth, Marner and Tavares are the better players to cut loose.

Absolutely correct. The points around how the Leafs can construct the rest of their team around the cap with the big contracts are not dumb and are valid, but going from that to saying the contract is too high and the player isn't likely to live up to it in his final year or two are silly.

Always sign your top players - especially ones who are top 5 in scoring. Deal with the cap later.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

some tunes have changed since it was suggested the Flames trade for Nylander and sign him to....NINE MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE! last summer

I like Nylander and yeah you sign him rather than lose him, Leafs don't have the stones to do what they need to do now though. Team will get bounced in the playoffs early, say "we had a really good season" and bring back the same roster with less depth next year.

Its not much of a stretch to watch these guys and have major concerns about their playoff ability

they can't win in regulation and can't keep the puck out of the net. Top offensive players have been shut down in the playoffs.

This is also a classic contract season bump if I have ever seen one

Nylander has a career high of 87 Points and has been over 61 points TWICE in his career

He is being paid like a perennial 100+ scorer. He wouldn't be making this kinda money outside of a Canadian market IMO

They absolutely should be trading Marner but they won't, it should have been done already

Leafs won't win with that core 4, it's not gonna happen

Comparing the Leafs situation to the Flames is not a good idea. We don't have Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Reilly. We have Huberdeau and Kadri. It's not even close to the same.

Also, this summer there was not any news about what the projected revenue league wide is this year. That news came out, it was said projected to be $6.2 bil in revenue which is a $96 mil cap. That changes the value of contracts.

This summer most were saying sign Nylander $10.5 mil too, not $9 mil

Leafs might not win with this core, but if Treliving makes a good trade and they draft well, they have a chance.

Aren't you saying in this thread that McDavid is going to ask for $18 mil and settle for $16.5. How many players in the next 3 years will get $12 mil or more? There is going to be 30+ guys making 11 mil in the next 3 years.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Comparing the Leafs situation to the Flames is not a good idea. We don't have Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Reilly. We have Huberdeau and Kadri. It's not even close to the same.

Also, this summer there was not any news about what the projected revenue league wide is this year. That news came out, it was said projected to be $6.2 bil in revenue which is a $96 mil cap. That changes the value of contracts.

This summer most were saying sign Nylander $10.5 mil too, not $9 mil

Leafs might not win with this core, but if Treliving makes a good trade and they draft well, they have a chance.

Aren't you saying in this thread that McDavid is going to ask for $18 mil and settle for $16.5. How many players in the next 3 years will get $12 mil or more? There is going to be 30+ guys making 11 mil in the next 3 years.

I thought the cap was going up so these contracts won't seem so bad.
Or is that just what we tell ourselves?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

I thought the cap was going up so these contracts won't seem so bad.
Or is that just what we tell ourselves?

$98 cap Nylander contract is 11.73% of the cap. In a $83.5 cap world that percent equals $9.8 mil. Not bad for a guys who is over a PPG every year and is on pace for 120 points this year?

You go the thread where posters are talking about Hanifin and some think at $7.5 mil, we should just keep him. Because a core of Huderdeau, Kadri, Hanifin and Weegar is better than the Leafs core?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

I thought the cap was going up so these contracts won't seem so bad.
Or is that just what we tell ourselves?

The cap is very much going up.

They added two new major markets in the last six years, one of whom is Las Vegas and already has a championship.

The Kraken have already won a playoff series.

Unmitigated successes for the league - beyond what they could have ever imagined.

Hockey related revenue can’t help but increase dramatically, and with that, the cap.

[cannon7]

Wild that Treliving will do this after Huberdeau. Wizard gonna wizardry.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

$98 cap Nylander contract is 11.73% of the cap. In a $83.5 cap world that percent equals $9.8 mil. Not bad for a guys who is over a PPG every year and is on pace for 120 points this year?

You go the thread where posters are talking about Hanifin and some think at $7.5 mil, we should just keep him. Because a core of Huderdeau, Kadri, Hanifin and Weegar is better than the Leafs core?

Who said this? please quote them

I bet these two cores win the same number of cups though

also this is Nylanders 9th year in the NHL and he has been over PPG one time...this year will be #2

PPG isn't worth 11.5 either he needs to be a 100 point player at least


I mean the biggest Leaf's homer on earth Steve Dangle has doubts and thinks they should have traded Marner

really they should have signed Nylander in the summer, letting him go into a contract year holding all the power was a mistake, sound familiar?


you are REALLY defending the Leafs hard here lol

[anyonebutedmonton]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The cap is very much going up.

They added two new major markets in the last six years, one of whom is Las Vegas and already has a championship.

The Kraken have already won a playoff series.

Unmitigated successes for the league - beyond what they could have ever imagined.

Hockey related revenue can’t help but increase dramatically, and with that, the cap.

Agreed that success in these markets means revenue is up, but I think you have to factor in that these two teams also increase the denominator used to calculate the salary cap per team. Could be wrong, but I think it would only be a net addition if the two new teams were above the midline as far as revenue (which is likely true, given their success).

[dino7c]

Cap is going up but there are also some major issues, including attendance in Canada

might not go as high as some predict

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by anyonebutedmonton

Agreed that success in these markets means revenue is up, but I think you have to factor in that these two teams also increase the denominator used to calculate the salary cap per team. Could be wrong, but I think it would only be a net addition if the two new teams were above the midline as far as revenue (which is likely true, given their success).

It’s 50/50 of all HRR - expand that by two cites worth of teams, it’s not like interest fluctuates that drastically in your other established markets. Even Arizona playing in a College rink probably isn’t hurting them too much since 3000 people paying full pop for NHL hockey is probably better than that market usually gets.

82 extra sold out games + tv number boosts etc + the interest in NHL hockey isn’t declining.

Barring another global pandemic that results in 18 months worth of games being played in front of no people, I don’t see what causes the cap to go down anytime soon.

[SuperMatt18]

Why is Nylander better than Marner all of a sudden?

-Similar offensive production, but Marner has actually been more consistent.

-Plays on their top PK unit and is quite proficient at it, he's probably better defensively.

-Not that it's a huge different but Marner is also a year younger

I know people point at playoff production but Marner actually has higher playoff production too.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It’s 50/50 of all HRR - expand that by two cites worth of teams, it’s not like interest fluctuates that drastically in your other established markets. Even Arizona playing in a College rink probably isn’t hurting them too much since 3000 people paying full pop for NHL hockey is probably better than that market usually gets.

82 extra sold out games + tv number boosts etc + the interest in NHL hockey isn’t declining.

Barring another global pandemic that results in 18 months worth of games being played in front of no people, I don’t see what causes the cap to go down anytime soon.

Yes, but you have to divide that by the number of teams, which has gone from 30 to 32. If the new teams aren't above average, they aren't raising the cap. A quick example:

30 teams - each team generates $200M in HRR: total HRR = $6B, 50% = $3B / 30 teams = $100M cap (mid point actually)

add two teams...

32 teams - each generates $200M in HRR: total HRR = $6.4B, 50% = $3.2B / 32 teams = $100M cap

unless the new teams are generating more than $200m (in this example), they aren't making the cap higher

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Why is Nylander better than Marner all of a sudden?

-Similar offensive production, but Marner has actually been more consistent.

-Plays on their top PK unit and is quite proficient at it, he's probably better defensively.

-Not that it's a huge different but Marner is also a year younger

I know people point at playoff production but Marner actually has higher playoff production too.

It is amazing how much recency bias most fans have. In the summer, most people felt $10M was too much for Nylander, and for many, anything in the 9s was too much. He has a career year, and now he is one of the top 5 forwards in the NHL apparently.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Why is Nylander better than Marner all of a sudden?

-Similar offensive production, but Marner has actually been more consistent.

-Plays on their top PK unit and is quite proficient at it, he's probably better defensively.

-Not that it's a huge different but Marner is also a year younger

I know people point at playoff production but Marner actually has higher playoff production too.

I'm pretty sure Marner is just as important to the Leafs as Nylander (personally I prefer Marner between the two). I fully expect he's going to get a similar deal to Nylander or slightly more.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm pretty sure Marner is just as important to the Leafs as Nylander (personally I prefer Marner between the two). I fully expect he's going to get a similar deal to Nylander or slightly more.

I agree and would bet management feels the same.

It's more in response to all the "Nylander and Matthews are the two most important Leafs" and "Leafs should trade Marner" comments in this thread.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by dino7c

some tunes have changed since it was suggested the Flames trade for Nylander and sign him to....NINE MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE! last summer

I like Nylander and yeah you sign him rather than lose him, Leafs don't have the stones to do what they need to do now though. Team will get bounced in the playoffs early, say "we had a really good season" and bring back the same roster with less depth next year.

Its not much of a stretch to watch these guys and have major concerns about their playoff ability

they can't win in regulation and can't keep the puck out of the net. Top offensive players have been shut down in the playoffs.

This is also a classic contract season bump if I have ever seen one

Nylander has a career high of 87 Points and has been over 61 points TWICE in his career

He is being paid like a perennial 100+ scorer. He wouldn't be making this kinda money outside of a Canadian market IMO

They absolutely should be trading Marner but they won't, it should have been done already

Leafs won't win with that core 4, it's not gonna happen

Treliving is more about the here and now. Interesting to see how he patches things if they continue to come up short in the playoffs.