2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah Crosby lived with Mario.

They also signed Gonchar to give Malkin a veteran Russian player to mentor him.

As well as bringing in Mark Recchi, and John Leclair as mentors for the young players on that team.

So Pittsburgh is actually the perfect example of a team bringing in some veterans to help the young guard develop in the NHL.

They also traded for Jiri hrdina to mentor Jagr
That’s today’s shameless “why Jiri Hrdina is Awesome” segment brought to you by me.

[SuperMatt18]

Thing is you won't be able to trade everyone at this deadline, so that should never be the expectation.

Focus on the UFAs (Lindholm and Tanev for sure, Hanifin if the return outweighs re-signing him, and Greer) and potentially Markstrom (hot goalie market if he agrees to move) for this deadline.

Then you have the draft / offseason where more guys can move, especially with a rising cap.

Coleman, Mangiapane, Markstrom, Andersson could all potentially attract attention at the draft. It's a weaker UFA crop, and with the rising salary caps teams might have room for the first time in a couple years.

Huberdeau and Kadri likely can't be moved. Weegar is your anchor on the d-core (IMO). And Backlund is your captain. Those are your veterans to mentor the young guys.

But I still doubt the Flames go scorched earth. I'd bet the Flames throw the money they had earmarked for Lindholm/Hanifin at Sam Reinhart before they go scorched earth

[butterfly]

We can have our star draft pick bunk in with Lanny then. Sound good?

Now…let’s get a star draft pick.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'm less worried about who they bunk with, rather than who is helping them on the ice. Prospects learn from playing with good experienced players. If you are playing your best prospects with mostly lower level players, I don't think that is beneficial. If you play them with bottom six tier players, you risk developing them into bottom six players.

Pretty much every success rebuilding team has some talented veterans to bring along the prospects.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'm less worried about who they bunk with, rather than who is helping them on the ice. Prospects learn from playing with good experienced players. If you are playing your best prospects with mostly lower level players, I don't think that is beneficial. If you play them with bottom six tier players, you risk developing them into bottom six players.

Pretty much every success rebuilding team has some talented veterans to bring along the prospects.

Its not just on ice stuff that you need sensible veterans around for.
Its the off ice stuff that might be more important.

Keeping kids from getting into addiction habits.
Showing them which bars to go to when on the road.
Teaching them how to keep their "activities" off of social media.
How to prepare when you are on the road or doing back to back afternoon road games.

These are the things where positive experienced mentor role models are most important.

[genetic_phreek]

Based on previously discussed rumors

Trades:

CGY
Bowen Byram
2024 1st round pick (COL)
COL
Elias Lindholm ($2,425,000 retained)

CGY
Alexander Holtz
2025 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
Noah Hanifin

CGY
Kaapo Kakko
Braden Schneider
2024 2nd round pick (NYR)
NYR
Adam Ruzicka
Christopher Tanev ($2,250,000 retained)

Huberdeau - Zary - Kakko
Sharangovich - Kadri - Holtz
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Greer - Dube - Pospisil
Duehr

Byram - Andersson
Weegar - Schneider
Kuznetsov - DeSimone
Gilbert

Markstrom
Vladar

That looks fun!

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'm less worried about who they bunk with, rather than who is helping them on the ice. Prospects learn from playing with good experienced players. If you are playing your best prospects with mostly lower level players, I don't think that is beneficial. If you play them with bottom six tier players, you risk developing them into bottom six players.

Pretty much every success rebuilding team has some talented veterans to bring along the prospects.

To add to this, if you ice a team that is completely devoid of any talent then, you're sending all of your young and rookie players out to fail, miserably, every night. That does nothing to build confidence. You need to strike a balance in this situation.

Everyone clambering for full tear down is just blinded by the prospect of getting a high pick. Expecting young players to play like #### and 'tank' is far more cancerous. Putting them in a position to fail is far more cancerous. That takes years to undo.

This chorus of 'tank at all costs' is really goddamned annoying and incredibly short-sighted.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'm less worried about who they bunk with, rather than who is helping them on the ice. Prospects learn from playing with good experienced players. If you are playing your best prospects with mostly lower level players, I don't think that is beneficial. If you play them with bottom six tier players, you risk developing them into bottom six players.

Pretty much every success rebuilding team has some talented veterans to bring along the prospects.

I think they just turn into bottom six players if that’s their talent level. New York has a lot of talented forwards surrounding Lafreniere and Kakko so that can’t be the issue.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Based on previously discussed rumors

Trades:

CGY
Bowen Byram
2024 1st round pick (COL)
COL
Elias Lindholm ($2,425,000 retained)

CGY
Alexander Holtz
2025 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
Noah Hanifin

CGY
Kaapo Kakko
Braden Schneider
2024 2nd round pick (NYR)
NYR
Adam Ruzicka
Christopher Tanev ($2,250,000 retained)

Huberdeau - Zary - Kakko
Sharangovich - Kadri - Holtz
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Greer - Dube - Pospisil
Duehr

Byram - Andersson
Weegar - Schneider
Kuznetsov - DeSimone
Gilbert

Markstrom
Vladar

That looks fun!

It does, but fans were setting themselves for disappointment just like with the Zadorov trade.

Personally, I don't see Holtz(7th overall), Byram(4th overall, and a stud D), and Kakko(2nd overall) being available for upcoming free agents.

Kakko is really struggling this year, so he might be available, but Schneider is going to be a pretty good top 4 D as well. If any of those trades were on the table, I'd jump all over them.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

It does, but fans were setting themselves for disappointment just like with the Zadorov trade.

Personally, I don't see Holtz(7th overall), Byram(4th overall, and a stud D), and Kakko(2nd overall) being available for upcoming free agents.

Kakko is really struggling this year, so he might be available, but Schneider is going to be a pretty good top 4 D as well. If any of those trades were on the table, I'd jump all over them.

yeah
most likely will be closer to this
CGY
2024 2st round pick (COL)
COL
Elias Lindholm ($2,425,000 retained)

CGY
2025 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
Noah Hanifin

CGY
2024 2nd round pick (NYR)
NYR
Christopher Tanev ($2,250,000 retained)

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

yeah
most likely will be closer to this
CGY
2024 2st round pick (COL)
COL
Elias Lindholm ($2,425,000 retained)

CGY
2025 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
Noah Hanifin

CGY
2024 2nd round pick (NYR)
NYR
Christopher Tanev ($2,250,000 retained)

Plus COL,NJ, and NY's cap dumps. Probably a 5th from us going the other way for a 3rd, and we'll get a former 4th round pick prospect or two.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

yeah
most likely will be closer to this
CGY
2024 2st round pick (COL)
COL
Elias Lindholm ($2,425,000 retained)

CGY
2025 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
Noah Hanifin

CGY
2024 2nd round pick (NYR)
NYR
Christopher Tanev ($2,250,000 retained)

I assume that's a 1st round pick from Colorado?

Either way, the market will dictate the return. If there are multiple suitors trying to trade for our players the return will be bigger, if the market is limited then Conroy will just have to take what is offered.

[Jacks]

I suspect the returns will be somewhere between the two lists just posted.
The first one seems wildly optimistic and the second one seems like worst case scenario.

[blankall]

If the Flames can somehow get two additional first rounders, that's a job well done IMO. It's not just about the draft picks though, it's about the points you don't win along the way.

I don't see the Flames going full scorched Earth, as they actually have a bunch of great depth talent now, Sharangovich, Coronato, Pelletier, Zary, etc.. what they need is more star power. I hope they somehow manage to get a couple of top 5 picks, over the next two years, and then just focus on solid asset management to build the team.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

yeah
most likely will be closer to this
CGY
2024 2st round pick (COL)
COL
Elias Lindholm ($2,425,000 retained)

CGY
Holtz
2025 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
Noah Hanifin
Dillon Dube

CGY
2024 2nd round pick (NYR)
NYR
Christopher Tanev ($2,250,000 retained)

I'm an eternal optimist, except when it comes to the Flames.
I predict:
CGY
Byram or Ritchie
2024 5th round pick (COL)
COL
Elias Lindholm ($2,425,000 retained)

CGY
Holtz
2024 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
Noah Hanifin (retained & extended)

CGY
2024 3rd round pick (LAK)
LAK
Dan Vladar

CGY
2024 5th round pick (TOR)
TOR
depth defenceman (Gilbert, Oesterle or DeSimone)

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

I'm an eternal optimist, except when it comes to the Flames.
I predict:
CGY
Byram or Ritchie
2024 5th round pick (COL)
COL
Elias Lindholm ($2,425,000 retained)

CGY
Holtz
2024 1st round pick (NJD)
NJD
Noah Hanifin (retained & extended)

CGY
2024 3rd round pick (LAK)
LAK
Dan Vladar

CGY
2024 5th round pick (TOR)
TOR
depth defenceman (Gilbert, Oesterle or DeSimone)

I'd be pretty happy with that. The Flames getting two recent, and developing, top 10 picks in Holtz and Byram. Much better return than late first round picks, that could be total busts.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

CGY
2024 5th round pick (TOR)
TOR
depth defenceman (Gilbert, Oesterle or DeSimone)

Hah, that is such a Treliving trade. I love it.

Also the Kings would be collecting all the Flames ex-goalies!

[GioforPM]

Mackinnon also was lucky enough to have Crosby as a non-team mentor (Crosby took a special interest due to the home town connection).

Mackinnon also had Stastney, Sarich, Tanguay and Parenteau as veterans around him in his rookie year. And Iginla in year two.

[Jacks]

If Lindholm ends up going to Colorado I really think Johansen is coming back as part of the package. That's not a bad thing either IMO, he's not great but someone has to play 2/3C next year and the last thing we need is an expensive UFA. I'd rather get paid to take Johansen and have him playing a contract year. In a bizarro world maybe he clicks with Huberdeau. Then next deadline he can get retained down to 2M AAV and traded if the Flames are out again.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I assume that's a 1st round pick from Colorado?

Either way, the market will dictate the return. If there are multiple suitors trying to trade for our players the return will be bigger, if the market is limited then Conroy will just have to take what is offered.

Nah, that's just supposed to be green text, because I dared to temper expectations.

The truth will be in the middle of the two scenarios. Anyway, I'm willing to bet that we're not getting a player that was a top 7 pick from 2019 onward for any of our UFAs.

If you guys simply enjoy penciling those players into the lineup, then sure go for it. Hopefully, you won't be too disappointed by the 'underwhelming/lackluster' return of a 1st + 2nd + roster player/B prospect.