[Signing] Willian Nylander extension (8 Years, $11.5M AAV)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

That's this year only. I don't think they will be a threat this year but Nylander signed for 8 years and Mathews 4. Both kick in after this year. Can they compete with these deals is the question? Yes they can, some can look past just this year.

Washington caps put it all together after most said they never would

You aren't just going to find a cup winning dcore on the free agent market

on what planet does their D get substantially better? I am not just looking at this year.

we can bump this every year they don't win for the next 8, I am pretty confident

I'm looking past this year and its worse not better lol

less deep and the same or worse D

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Someone will offer McDavid a max deal and if it’s not the Oilers, why would he stay there?

I think he is getting bad advice, he did last time

leave money on the table so they can...give it to Nurse or buyout James Neal

[Toonage]

Is Bobby Orr McDavid's agent? I seem to recall reading that at some point, but maybe it isn't true.

If it is, I'd imagine its awfully tough for a young kid and his family to get advice from the likes of Orr, Gretzky and whatever legend of the past Katz throws their way and say no thanks. At least, before he signed his current deal and has now seen all that being an Oiler has to offer.

I'd imagine he'll take them for all they have or head out town come the next deal.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You aren't just going to find a cup winning dcore on the free agent market

on what planet does their D get substantially better? I am not just looking at this year.

we can bump this every year they don't win for the next 8, I am pretty confident

I'm looking past this year and its worse not better lol

less deep and the same or worse D

Do they even have any D prospects?

In the next three years they have 2 total picks in the top 2 rounds. And I’m pretty sure those are burning holes in Tre’s pockets right about now.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Do they even have any D prospects?

In the next three years they have 2 total picks in the top 2 rounds. And I’m pretty sure those are burning holes in Tre’s pockets right about now.

no, if anything this year is their best shot when they move those picks for Tanev or whoever

then there is the goaltending and the Boston or Florida first round matchup


People have posted their if everything goes perfect in free agency lineups for next year and the team still has major holes

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Full NMC just as Treliving likes it.

Is that really a Treliving thing? The majority of veterans in the league today have NMCs. It’s just the way the league is going.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Is Bobby Orr McDavid's agent? I seem to recall reading that at some point, but maybe it isn't true.

If it is, I'd imagine its awfully tough for a young kid and his family to get advice from the likes of Orr, Gretzky and whatever legend of the past Katz throws their way and say no thanks. At least, before he signed his current deal and has now seen all that being an Oiler has to offer.

I'd imagine he'll take them for all they have or head out town come the next deal.

I don't know if Orr was ever directly his agent, but he was signed to Orr's agency (which Orr sold a few years ago).

In recent years, his agent was Jeff Jackson until the Oilers hired him to be their CEO. Now he is represented by Judd Moldaver (also Matthews' agent). McDavid is still signed to the same agency, but I don't know if Orr has any involvement with it anymore.

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

For some strange reason a lot of Oilers fans seem to think that Draisaitl is going to take a discount to stay with McDavid ignoring the fact that he's been massively underpaid over his career to this point. He's going to be looking to recoup some of that money and become the highest paid player until McDavid sets the next bar.

I mean... it's not a strange reason. We all know that Edmonton is no good and therefore its fans are no good.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You aren't just going to find a cup winning dcore on the free agent market

on what planet does their D get substantially better? I am not just looking at this year.

we can bump this every year they don't win for the next 8, I am pretty confident

I'm looking past this year and its worse not better lol

less deep and the same or worse D

How do you define who's right or wrong here? Only 1 team wins the cup, if they don't that means they should have traded Nylander? I'd say close or winning should count as them being successful. 3rd round appearance with at least 2 wins in the 3rd round? Just throwing something out there.

Vegas has good d, did they draft and develop all of them?

Marner will get around what Nylander got, when Tavares is up, they will have a big 3 making $35 mil and Reilly at a good deal considering the cap should be $98 mil in a couple years. Trade or draft, they can develop a good d.

Rasmus and Weegar good for us? Probably our best 2, 1 is a 2nd rounder one was acquired via trade. You don't have to UFA their d to fix it. Hanifin was acquired via trade and Tanev was a UFA.

Tons of top goalies are not 1st round picks too. Best position to draft stars outside the 1st round is goalies then D then forwards. They got the forwards.

Do they have all the answers now, no but their core is in their mid 20s.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Do they even have any D prospects?

In the next three years they have 2 total picks in the top 2 rounds. And I’m pretty sure those are burning holes in Tre’s pockets right about now.

Common mistake for one teams' fans is they write off other teams' prospects, especially the ones that are outside top 50 league wide. Sure they don't have Cake Makar in their system.

Zary was not getting any press league wide until now, other teams have guys that might be better than you give them credit for.

I've always liked the model, draft forwards, sign and trade for d. The Leafs will be ok with their big 3 forwards, just need to fix the balance of the team.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Common mistake for one teams' fans is they write off other teams' prospects, especially the ones that are outside top 50 league wide. Sure they don't have Cake Makar in their system.

Zary was not getting any press league wide until now, other teams have guys that might be better than you give them credit for.

I've always liked the model, draft forwards, sign and trade for d. The Leafs will be ok with their big 3 forwards, just need to fix the balance of the team.

I’m not against that model, but do they even have any D prospects that I’m dismissing? Is Niemela still a thing?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I’m not against that model, but do they even have any D prospects that I’m dismissing? Is Niemela still a thing?

Hard to say as what is "a thing"? Do they need to draft or trade for a top pairing player, probably will need to trade for 1 as it appears as of right now they have 0 that have that potential. But our attitude towards Niemela could be the same towards Porier from other teams fans and media?

Calling up guys that aren't top line and 1st line players still has an impact. See Zary and Pospisil. Both have been good additions.

The cheaper depth guys you have, maybe they at some point can use cap space on a top pairing dman and find a Rasmus in the draft and sign a Tanev who has been rock solid and a steal for us for his entire contract.

They got the forwards.

What was plan b if they did not sign this deal? Trade him? They aren't that bad of a team to be ditching 100-point rental players.

The contract is not a steal, but with an escalating cap it's not an anchor of a deal too.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Hard to say as what is "a thing"? Do they need to draft or trade for a top pairing player, probably will need to trade for 1 as it appears as of right now they have 0 that have that potential. But our attitude towards Niemela could be the same towards Porier from other teams fans and media?

Calling up guys that aren't top line and 1st line players still has an impact. See Zary and Pospisil. Both have been good additions.

The cheaper depth guys you have, maybe they at some point can use cap space on a top pairing dman and find a Rasmus in the draft and sign a Tanev who has been rock solid and a steal for us for his entire contract.

They got the forwards.

What was plan b if they did not sign this deal? Trade him? They aren't that bad of a team to be ditching 100-point rental players.

The contract is not a steal, but with an escalating cap it's not an anchor of a deal too.

Disagree about the deal, I think Nylander did great here.

I was genuinely asking about Niemela as I don’t follow their team very closely. Is he hurt like Poirier?

Of course 2nd/3rd pairing and 2nd-4th line players are valuable, agree on that one. Makes it all the more puzzling that Liljegren keeps coming up in rumors as he and Knies are the only two on the right side of age 25 on that team.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Is that really a Treliving thing? The majority of veterans in the league today have NMCs. It’s just the way the league is going.

You're correct. All of the top 19 paid players have NMCs. And then it continues on from there with about 80% of the next 30 having NMCs.

Definitely not a Treliving thing.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

How do you define who's right or wrong here? Only 1 team wins the cup, if they don't that means they should have traded Nylander? I'd say close or winning should count as them being successful. 3rd round appearance with at least 2 wins in the 3rd round? Just throwing something out there.

Vegas has good d, did they draft and develop all of them?

Marner will get around what Nylander got, when Tavares is up, they will have a big 3 making $35 mil and Reilly at a good deal considering the cap should be $98 mil in a couple years. Trade or draft, they can develop a good d.

Rasmus and Weegar good for us? Probably our best 2, 1 is a 2nd rounder one was acquired via trade. You don't have to UFA their d to fix it. Hanifin was acquired via trade and Tanev was a UFA.

Tons of top goalies are not 1st round picks too. Best position to draft stars outside the 1st round is goalies then D then forwards. They got the forwards.

Do they have all the answers now, no but their core is in their mid 20s.

If the Leafs don't make a deep run we can easily say who is right or wrong...they aren't just going to find a cup caliber D

they also have hardly any draft picks and will surely have even less after this season

"aquired via trade" Yeah do the Leafs have a spare Tkachuk laying around they have to trade lol

its exactly my point that they need to make a major trade or they aren't winning #### all

My guess is they continue with strong regular seasons and poor playoffs, their priorities are in the wrong places

quote it, call me out if I am wrong

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Disagree about the deal, I think Nylander did great here.

I was genuinely asking about Niemela as I don’t follow their team very closely. Is he hurt like Poirier?

Of course 2nd/3rd pairing and 2nd-4th line players are valuable, agree on that one. Makes it all the more puzzling that Liljegren keeps coming up in rumors as he and Knies are the only two on the right side of age 25 on that team.

I agree that Nylander did well, and some suggested in the summer Hanifin for Nylander and sign him @ $10.5 per and I said no thanks, he is not worth that. I don't think he is worth $11.5 either but since the summer the league revenue projections are coming in that the cap is going to explode in the next 3 years. (would this year if the CBA did not have 5% max increase)

Hard to predict but I expect that Nylander contract will slide down the highest paid list fast in the next 2 years. So is it a great deal, no but it might look very good in 2 years and it's not an anchor of a deal right now.

[dino7c]

I like Nylander...I just think it will be more of the same from the Leafs

they need bold moves and I don't think they have the stones

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You aren't just going to find a cup winning dcore on the free agent market

on what planet does their D get substantially better? I am not just looking at this year.

we can bump this every year they don't win for the next 8, I am pretty confident

I'm looking past this year and its worse not better lol

less deep and the same or worse D

Every year, you can reliably trade a 1st round pick and two 2nds for a Hanifin/Hamilton/Provorov/Ellis/whoever.

Someone quality.

Every year, there are competent Chris Tanev level defensemen available.

You can draft them, but probably not in time for this core - best be trading 1sts in more aggressive moves.

You don’t have to fix it all in one go, but throughout the length of these contracts, yes, it’s a fixable issue.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I like Nylander...I just think it will be more of the same from the Leafs

they need bold moves and I don't think they have the stones

Of the 4 high priced forwards, does it not make sense to part ways with Tavares?

Does it not make sense for Tavares to sign for way less to win when he is 35?

If he is willing to do that, their top 3 won't be that overpaid when the cap explodes.

Washington and Pittsburgh did not have high profile d when they won their cups. Letang and Carlsson aren't significantly better than Rielly and what they had after those 2 on d wasn't spectacular. They did have good goaltending, but the Leafs can find a goalie and improve the d with Nylander's contract.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Every year, you can reliably trade a 1st round pick and two 2nds for a Hanifin/Hamilton/Provorov/Ellis/whoever.

Someone quality.

Every year, there are competent Chris Tanev level defensemen available.

You can draft them, but probably not in time for this core - best be trading 1sts in more aggressive moves.

You don’t have to fix it all in one go, but throughout the length of these contracts, yes, it’s a fixable issue.

Flames trade 16th OV and 2 2nds for Hamilton. Leafs do the same, it might be a great idea.