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Reggie Dunlop · 05-23-2007, 03:45 PM

Globe and Mail

No information beyond one confirmed death.

HelloHockeyFans · 05-23-2007, 03:48 PM

That high school is extremely close to York University.

HelloHockeyFans · 05-23-2007, 03:51 PM

The local news are covering it now in Toronto... the school was under lock-down since 2:30 and they've just released everyone after confirming that the shooter is no longer inside.

Lanny_MacDonald · 05-23-2007, 03:51 PM

That just sickens me to hear that. Canada is becoming more and more Americanized as time passes. Sleeping next to the cultural elephant has its consequences I guess.

jolinar of malkshor · 05-23-2007, 03:52 PM

I don't think it is Americas fault that this guy decided to go and shoot some people.

Juventus3 · 05-23-2007, 03:55 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would also make it close to Jane and Finch area...one of the, if not the highest crime rates in the country.

Juventus3 · 05-23-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

That just sickens me to hear that. Canada is becoming more and more Americanized as time passes. Sleeping next to the cultural elephant has its consequences I guess.

You've clearly said this to spark debate. The shooting happened in Canada...Don't blame another country for our problems.

J3FFR3Y · 05-23-2007, 03:59 PM

disturbing to hear,stuff like that can easily happen in any school, anywhere!

HelloHockeyFans · 05-23-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Juventus3

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would also make it close to Jane and Finch area...one of the, if not the highest crime rates in the country.

Yup, one major street away.

peter12 · 05-23-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

That just sickens me to hear that. Canada is becoming more and more Americanized as time passes. Sleeping next to the cultural elephant has its consequences I guess.

You are such a wanker.

HelloHockeyFans · 05-23-2007, 04:08 PM

Local cameramen/reporters were attacked by the victim's brother's friend when they persisted with questions despite the victim's brother refusing to comment.

Toronto Police may press charges.

RedHot25 · 05-23-2007, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Local cameramen/reporters were attacked by the victim's brother's friend when they persisted with questions despite the victim's brother refusing to comment.

Toronto Police may press charges.

May press charges on the camermen/reporters, or the kids?

HelloHockeyFans · 05-23-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RedHot25

May press charges on the camermen/reporters, or the kids?

On the guy (victim's brother's friend) that attacked the cameramen/reporters.

Lanny_MacDonald · 05-23-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Juventus3

You've clearly said this to spark debate. The shooting happened in Canada...Don't blame another country for our problems.

Yes, because Canada has a long history of gun violence, especially in schools. Where do you think kids get the idea that its okay to carry guns and use them to settle scores? Wouldn't have anything to do with the cultural icons they identify with? Something tells me that when the dust settles that a Canadian cultural icon like Gordon Downie is going to be blamed for this, it will be an American cultural icon like 50cent. The bleeding of American culture north of the border is double edged sword, and this one cuts deeply.

Displaced Flames fan · 05-23-2007, 05:09 PM

Lanny, I won't deny the negative effect some of our culture (although I don't claim it as MY culture) has on people everywhere I would venture a guess that this has a lot more to do with parenting and the nature of adolescents to be among the cruelest of creatures.

It's no secret that parenting, or lack thereof to be specific, has been in a steady decline for years. I'm sure that's true in Canada as well as here.

kermitology · 05-23-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

That just sickens me to hear that. Canada is becoming more and more Americanized as time passes. Sleeping next to the cultural elephant has its consequences I guess.

For better and worse Canada is a virtual clone of the United States, just with a smaller population so less vocal morons.

Juventus3 · 05-23-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Yes, because Canada has a long history of gun violence, especially in schools. Where do you think kids get the idea that its okay to carry guns and use them to settle scores? Wouldn't have anything to do with the cultural icons they identify with? Something tells me that when the dust settles that a Canadian cultural icon like Gordon Downie is going to be blamed for this, it will be an American cultural icon like 50cent. The bleeding of American culture north of the border is double edged sword, and this one cuts deeply.

Blaming the US for things such as this is nothing more than the easy answer. You, nor I have absolutely any idea what the circumstances were that lead to this. For you to immediately assume that it was some kid who listens to rap music and plays too much xbox is beyond naive.

The only way for your theory to be proven is to erase the US culture as it is. Otherwise, it's merely some people's way of saying 'It's not our fault'.

GreenTeaFrapp · 05-23-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Yes, because Canada has a long history of gun violence, especially in schools.

Well it does date back more then 30 years.

GreenTeaFrapp · 05-23-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kermitology

For better and worse Canada is a virtual clone of the United States, just with a smaller population so less vocal morons.

I don't think that's the case at all. They're similiar but far from clones.

The Church plays a far more prominent role in the US.

The FTC goes on a rampage after Janet Jackson's incident at the Super Bowl while CTV shows The Sopranos unedited in prime time.

The Astrodome was converted into a church. Can anyone in Canada imagine Olympic Stadium being converted into a church?

The huge wave of Hispanic immigration is significantly changing the US while Canada isn't experiencing it.

Lanny_MacDonald · 05-23-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Juventus3

Otherwise, it's merely some people's way of saying 'It's not our fault'.

Oh no, that's my point, it IS your fault. Canada has struggled to develop it's own cultural identity and define what is morally and socially acceptable. The younger generation has embraced the MTV culture and all the ills that come with it. I think this shows in a very big way when this kid was not turned in immediately. Frankly, when I was in school, if ANYONE showed up with a weapon they were narced on immediately. It was just not acceptable to bring a weapon to school, but that has changed. That cultural evolution is a direct response to the influx of images from elsewhere. Whether you care to admit it or not, the vast majority of those images come from south of the 49th. Canadians should be somewhat embarassed by this IMO. Canada is one of the greatest countries on earth (with the crappiest weather to go with it) and it should be able to do much better with its youth than to let it devolve into what is has. That is why seeing events like this saddens me.