[PGT] Flyers 3 Flames 2

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Morning and early afternoon games always favour the eastern teams. I usually just pencil these ones in as losses.

Is there actual data to support this or is this more one of those feelings, similar to every goalie wins their first NHL game against the Flames?

[united]

Agree with those saying officiating was shocking.

Chalk it up as on off day for Francis Charron who usually calls a solid game.

Ghislain Hibert, on the other hand, has no business being in the league and year after year is graded as one of the poorest performing referees…so no surprise he was terrible. Only thing keeping him around is the union. 14 seasons in the League and has never made the playoffs: the new Dean Morton.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

When the Flames beat the Flyers days ago I assume that was due to superior coaching as much as coaching was the issue in this game?

Well if the coach wins and loses the same amount I don't think he is very good.

Huska's super passive zone defense doesn't do well against teams with hlots oh high end skill or teams that are very aggressive in the offensive zone (how Torts coaches).

I think the Flames got clowned in the neutral zone this game, I think the defense gave up the blue line way too easily, the PP is horrific. I think these issues have plagued the team all year, and the only reason we aren't in the lottery race is because Markstrom is having a big bounce back.

Refs were the worst part of this game, hands down. But our coaching still sucks.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Well if the coach wins and loses the same amount I don't think he is very good.

Huska's super passive zone defense doesn't do well against teams with hlots oh high end skill or teams that are very aggressive in the offensive zone (how Torts coaches).

I think the Flames got clowned in the neutral zone this game, I think the defense gave up the blue line way too easily, the PP is horrific. I think these issues have plagued the team all year, and the only reason we aren't in the lottery race is because Markstrom is having a big bounce back.

Refs were the worst part of this game, hands down. But our coaching still sucks.

This may prove to be true over time, but I'm not confident in saying that yet. Huska has the team working hard every night, but the team falls victim to their lack of skill on a near nightly basis.

Sutter is one of the greatest coaches of all time, and he got about the same results from this roster.

It just is what it is. The roster sucks, and the coaching may prove to suck over time but until the roster gets better - it's hard to assess in my eyes.

I still say Huska is the perfect coach for the team right now. He's a rookie coach, so it's unlikely he makes the team "more than the sum of its parts" and we don't want that right now. We don't want the team to get carried by one component when so much else is fatally flawed.

[Locke]

Officiating aside...the Powerplay was a Goddamned disaster.

And thats on nobody but the Flames.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

When the Flames beat the Flyers days ago I assume that was due to superior coaching as much as coaching was the issue in this game?

It was despite the coaching. Pay attention!

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

The powerplay looking bad could something to do with the talent on the ice. People don't like to hear it, but when Ruzicka is on the powerplay...

I get not scoring on the PP when lacking elite talent. But the Flames have trouble even generating scoring games to begin with, have trouble entering the zone, and seemingly do the exact same thing every time. Coaching can help those areas, but isn't going to help guys snipe when they get a chance. Philly is missing high end skill and had a bad PP, but at least it looks like a PP.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I thought the call on Lindholm was outrageously bad.


9 minutes? 5 minutes for fighting? His gloves didn't come off and he didn't throw a single punch - he got punched a bunch, and wrestled the guy to the ground. That's roughing for him at best. He should have thrown the gloves off and fought back though. Flames got penalties for routine hits that went wrong because the Flyers' players bailed at the last second, putting themselves in harm.



How did Konecny not get a penalty after he stood up in the crease and cross-checked someone hard. Then Zary gets a cross-check for that, while forcing the goal to be called-back?



I don't usually complain about refereeing, but that's some terrible calls.



However, that's some poor pushback by the Flames this game. Desaulniers is the only legitimate tough guy on that side, and it certainly felt like the Flames wilted a little after the Flyers decided to get a bit nasty. just seemed to take the wind out of their sails a little - except for Huberdeau at the end. Good on him! Loved the goal he scored, and I loved the emotion he showed this afternoon.



Also, if this is the Flyers' rebuild, enjoy staying in mediocrity for another decade. Doesn't look like they have top-end talent there. Flames are a team that is playing well, but need to rebuild, and the Flyers needed the stripes to give them the game.

I really like your takes. Always thoughtful analysis.

[butterfly]

Flyers were storming into Markstrom’s crease all day long. They were trying to start trouble. Not a single penalty for it.

Usually don’t see Markstrom punching people and slashing them away. Referees failed to do their job.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Fun game to watch. Too many penalties. Killed the momentum.

Onwards to crush the Bedardless Hawks (hopefully).

Total trap game.

1) last game of a road trip
2) just had a very spirited affair, now play a bottom-feeder
3) Chicago has had their number lately, and played well against them.

I expect the Flames to have a flat game tomorrow

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This may prove to be true over time, but I'm not confident in saying that yet. Huska has the team working hard every night, but the team falls victim to their lack of skill on a near nightly basis.

Sutter is one of the greatest coaches of all time, and he got about the same results from this roster.

It just is what it is. The roster sucks, and the coaching may prove to suck over time but until the roster gets better - it's hard to assess in my eyes.

I still say Huska is the perfect coach for the team right now. He's a rookie coach, so it's unlikely he makes the team "more than the sum of its parts" and we don't want that right now. We don't want the team to get carried by one component when so much else is fatally flawed.

If Sutter got this version of Markstrom the Flames would have easily been a playoff team. The team played a much better overall game last year, but couldn't get a save.

The team said their goal is to make the playoffs, so if we take that at face value Huska is not the right guy for the job.

[2ArmBands]

This team is playing some entertaining hockey and I’m thankful for that. You can tell they are gelling as a team and the give a @&$@ factor is high. I’ve enjoyed the games over the past month.

It would be nice if they could figure out if they are good or bad though. Please either make the playoffs or finish near the bottom. I know it’s a big ask.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

If Sutter got this version of Markstrom the Flames would have easily been a playoff team. The team played a much better overall game last year, but couldn't get a save.

The team said their goal is to make the playoffs, so if we take that at face value Huska is not the right guy for the job.

I said it in the Game Thread...where the Hell was this guy last year??

I'm pissed that they tossed away an amazing performance from Markstrom, but I'm thrilled that he looks like old Markstrom!

Where the Hell has this guy been?

[flambers]

Flyers were by far the better team, Markstrom was excellent and kept them in it.

Second period, Flyers had 24 shots.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by flambers

Flyers were by far the better team, Markstrom was excellent and kept them in it.

Second period, Flyers had 24 shots.

They were on the PP for 35% of it

And Lindholm was in the box for 45% of it

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

They were on the PP for 35% of it

And Lindholm was in the box for 45% of it

Lindholm made a dumb play, however the Flyers were really good.

This should have been an 6-2 game.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by flambers

Lindholm made a dumb play, however the Flyers were really good.

This should have been an 6-2 game.

No. Lindholm didnt do anything wrong.

As I said in the Game Thread, this is what happens when you bitch-out of a hit.

If he'd stayed upright, on his feet, the Lindholm hit would have been a routine, run-of-the-mill nothing play. Just a check.

Trying to bitch out of it is what got his face run into the boards.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Locke

No. Lindholm didnt do anything wrong.

As I said in the Game Thread, this is what happens when you bitch-out of a hit.

If he'd stayed upright, on his feet, the Lindholm hit would have been a routine, run-of-the-mill nothing play. Just a check.

Trying to bitch out of it is what got his face run into the boards.

Sorry, but that's a call they will make every time

Could it have been 2 minutes, sure.

However its a call.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Locke

Officiating aside...the Powerplay was a Goddamned disaster.

And thats on nobody but the Flames.

Flames do not have enough players who have a shoot first mentality.

Sharangovich, Lindholm (debatable) and Mangiapane have a shoot first mentality. All other forwards are passers.

We need snipers.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

If Sutter got this version of Markstrom the Flames would have easily been a playoff team. The team played a much better overall game last year, but couldn't get a save.

The team said their goal is to make the playoffs, so if we take that at face value Huska is not the right guy for the job.

Yeah, but Conroy and crew I believe are (hopefully) resetting goals/expectations. So lip service being what it is, at the end of the day it shouldn't be about being a "playoff team", that's not a high enough bar.

We know Conroy is actively working on trading away a number of pending UFAs. The team is operating with a bigger picture view (yes!), so I think we should be happy with where things are/trending. So I think you have to park the lip service and acknowledge it for what it is - ensuring management doesn't allow a lazy atmosphere to set in within the locker room.

Positives this year? The youth being further along that most of us expected. Work ethic is on-point, and there are positives coming from some of the veterans (Huby slowly putting it together, Marky's bounce back, Naz being great, Coleman legitimately taking a step forward).

What's happening right now is just...fine. I hope the team locks in their own 1st as a top-10 pick after the UFAs are traded. Add that top-10 pick to the returns for the UFA and things begin to start looking brighter. Perhaps Huska develops during this year as well, and becomes better as he moves forward.,