2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It’s 2024 everybody. This trade is in the past. The GM that made it? Gone. Just let it be. There’s nothing new to bring to the conversation at this point.

It keeps coming up and it's annoying because people make up new things and trade packages or shopped him around.

The gm literally came out the next day and outlined the timeline and what happened. It's all been confirmed by the teams the players.

Let it be what's done is done.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Deciding to give it a go with Huberdeau isn't all that surprising, as mentioned nobody expected him to drop off that much. It was a big gamble though considering we lost 2 stars and were replacing them with 1 and some depth.

The problem is that contract, you'd think they might have learned something from riding out the Lucic deal. If Huberdeau would only sign a toxic contract for the absolute top dollar with near maximum signing bonuses and a full NMC then that's the time to flip him for a big package of assets. He would have brought back a haul coming off a 115pt season at <6M in cap hit plus we wouldn't have had to throw away a 1st round pick to clear cap for Kadri. If the only option is to give out the worst contract in the league to a player before he plays a game with the team then it's time to walk away. As usual people want to blame everything on Edwards and give Treliving a pass but they both have blame for this fiasco.

It really doesn't feel like Huberdeau had demands and instead the team gave him the Tkachuk/Gaudreau offer.

He would have been a fool to turn that down.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It really doesn't feel like Huberdeau had demands and instead the team gave him the Tkachuk/Gaudreau offer.

He would have been a fool to turn that down.

You don't think they had any negotiations with Huberdeau? ridiculous.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It’s 2024 everybody. This trade is in the past. The GM that made it? Gone. Just let it be. There’s nothing new to bring to the conversation at this point.

Unfortunately this trade has and will have massive negative implications on the franchise for the next decade.

This trade and those involved is now a big part of flames history and will always be a talking point for those interested in the flames.

It may be the most impactful trade in the history of the org. Of its not #1 its top 3.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jacks

You don't think they had any negotiations with Huberdeau? ridiculous.

Doesn't feel like a difficult negotiation. The deal was done in weeks. Deals that couldn't be done for Johnny for months.

It's does seem like they used Huberdeau to stick it to Johnny and maybe lesser extent Tkachuk by giving him the same contract they got offered. Both those guys signed for less.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by chedder

Who wouldn't? But nobody is trading a 25 year old or younger superstar for a post apex centerman and a merely good dman.

Why would we even want a 25 year old star player - I don’t care how good they are, we don’t have any OTHER star players, and we’d be in the same boat we are now.

Zary and Wolf (and debatably Pelletier and Coronato) are the first wave of new young talent, but they’re nowhere near enough.

25 year old players, if they open a window at all, would only do it for 4-6 years.

Make 12 selections in the top-40 over the next three years and you give yourself (hopefully) a decade or more of relevance.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Exactly. They likely didn't even flush out any of the other deals. Would a single GM in the league not take Tkachuk over Kyrou if given the choice?

Maybe St Louis offered a weaker deal as a starting point but that's how negotiations typically work. I'm not sure why we would assume that was their best and final offer. How many negotiations close on the initial offer?

Zito really played that situation perfectly.

There was little time in that case. Tkachuk had to be traded before arbitration, which if memory serves me correctly, was only days away. Every team knew there was a hard deadline. If they were screwing around with low ball offers, and I doubt they were. That would’ve been on them.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by traptor

Unfortunately this trade has and will have a massive negative implications on the franchise for the next decade.

This trade and those involved is now a big part of flames history and will always be a talking point for those interested in the flames.

It may be the most impactful trade in the history of the org. Of its not #1 its top 3.

It’s not really a talking point for people interested in the Flames, it’s just a talking point for people specifically interested in trades the Flames have made that haven’t worked out.

Most people interested in the Flames, for example, barely remember or have no interest in discussing the Phaneuf, Gilmour, or Iginla (either of them) trades. A very select group bring them up as reference points, and an almost non-existent number of people still spend time discussing them years later.

It’s just a trade, it’s not a “big part” of Flames history. The cup was a big part of Flames history, 2004 was a big part, Iginla was a big part. Huberdeau might go down as one of the most disappointing and ultimately forgettable players in Flames’ history, but the vast majority of people who recognize that don’t feel any need to replay how he got here every few weeks.

Stuff like this is why fans having more inside information on the contract and trade side of things really just makes sport worse.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

There was little time in that case. Tkachuk had to be traded before arbitration, which if memory serves me correctly, was only days away. Every team knew there was a hard deadline. If they were screwing around with low ball offers, and I doubt they were. That would’ve been on them.

Arbitration was 25 days away.

[memphusk]

Huberdeau won that negotiation hands down. Its buyout proof. Its basically a fully guaranteed contract.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Exactly, I remember multiple non-Flames fans telling me they thought the Flames won the deal. Nobody figured they would drop like they did.

The SN polls were like 80% Flames which is high considering the Flames aren't exactly popular with Oiler, Leaf, and Canuck fans

If Huberdeau was even PPG and the Flames still had the first the (both of which seemed likely) the trade would still be looking good especially since they were forced into it

heck Weegar still has more goals than Tkachuk this season and its January

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by traptor

Unfortunately this trade has and will have massive negative implications on the franchise for the next decade.

This trade and those involved is now a big part of flames history and will always be a talking point for those interested in the flames.

It may be the most impactful trade in the history of the org. Of its not #1 its top 3.

This trade will dictate many positive things for this team that can't happen between now and when his contract expires 7 years from now. It's an anchor and that is what anchors do. People will still be talking about it 7 years from now because it will still be relevant. So if people don't like it, buckle in and get comfy. It's going to be a long trip.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The SN polls were like 80% Flames which is high considering the Flames aren't exactly popular with Oiler, Leaf, and Canuck fans

Yeah, but those fans also detested Tkachuk and thought he wasn't as good as he was. Of course they are going to think that any star player from any other market was going to be better than Flames players who they all see as trash.

[dino7c]

Huberdeau was on most if not all lists for the #1 line of team Canada in projections for a potential olympic team

the general consensus around the hockey world was that the Flames did VERY well. The drop off has been unprecedented. If he was even somewhat good last season the Flames easily get into the playoffs and then who the hell knows.

Its really hard to fault Brad for the deal, I think any GM would have made it in his spot...the moves afterwards are debatable

[Hockey_Ninja]

At the end of the day, GM’s will be judged by how their moves age more than how their moves looked initially. The trade looked great at the time it was made, but it’s been aging terribly so far for the Flames. Weegar has been the best player in the deal and he wasn’t even the main piece coming back. It was a Hail Mary attempt to try to avoid rebuilding after two stars wanted out and it blew up in their faces

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

At the end of the day, GM’s will be judged by how their moves age more than how their moves looked initially. The trade looked great at the time it was made, but it’s been aging terribly so far for the Flames. Weegar has been the best player in the deal and he wasn’t even the main piece coming back. It was a Hail Mary attempt to try to avoid rebuilding after two stars wanted out and it blew up in their faces

The trade was good but the extension and paying him based on his 115 point year was a total failure. He never was anything close to that. Even his PPG seasons came under offensively very loose systems. Now you take him away from his comfort zone in Florida and insert him into a defensively rigorous system and I wouldn't have been surprised to see a 70 point player moving forward. The bigger drop off is puzzling though.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s not really a talking point for people interested in the Flames, it’s just a talking point for people specifically interested in trades the Flames have made that haven’t worked out.

Most people interested in the Flames, for example, barely remember or have no interest in discussing the Phaneuf, Gilmour, or Iginla (either of them) trades. A very select group bring them up as reference points, and an almost non-existent number of people still spend time discussing them years later.

It’s just a trade, it’s not a “big part” of Flames history. The cup was a big part of Flames history, 2004 was a big part, Iginla was a big part. Huberdeau might go down as one of the most disappointing and ultimately forgettable players in Flames’ history, but the vast majority of people who recognize that don’t feel any need to replay how he got here every few weeks.

Stuff like this is why fans having more inside information on the contract and trade side of things really just makes sport worse.

The cap took so much fun out of hockey discussions for me. All of them became cap based. It was good for the sport, but it still sucks.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I laugh every single time that anyone thinks this is Brad’s fault.

Look at Huberdeau’s resume pre-Calgary Flame. He and Gaudreau were very comparable players, both had career years, great numbers on the only franchise they played on. If you’re giving Johnny 10.5 x 8 you’re giving Huberdeau the same contract.

This is all on Huberdeau. The money is there, HE has to be the one to perform. This is all on him.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Huberdeau was on most if not all lists for the #1 line of team Canada in projections for a potential olympic team

the general consensus around the hockey world was that the Flames did VERY well. The drop off has been unprecedented. If he was even somewhat good last season the Flames easily get into the playoffs and then who the hell knows.

Its really hard to fault Brad for the deal, I think any GM would have made it in his spot...the moves afterwards are debatable

The trade wasn’t bad. The signings were the major error. But those likely came from the top and needing to win the PR battle of players wanting to play in Calgary.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Saqe

The trade was good but the extension and paying him based on his 115 point year was a total failure. He never was anything close to that. Even his PPG seasons came under offensively very loose systems. Now you take him away from his comfort zone in Florida and insert him into a defensively rigorous system and I wouldn't have been surprised to see a 70 point player moving forward. The bigger drop off is puzzling though.

So they should have low balled him because they are taking a elite play maker and want to turn him into a 70 point grinder?

Silly take.

Should Mackinnon and Makar take less if they come to Calgary because the team is going to have them play a less offensive style?

Huberdeau out played his deal and got the market rate plus the Calgary bump for his production.

Putting gifted offensive players and destroying their confidence probably isn't the best way to start off with the organizations biggest investment ever.