I love how Russians say that the Novocherkassk is "damaged but recoverable" lol. Like... are you going to melt down the slag and try and rebuild it or what? Not to mention all the big capital ships Russia had were built in Poland or Ukraine, but sure, that'll buff right out.
So far a pretty good week for those new F-16s Ukraine received. 5 Sukhois shot down and an amphibious assault ship. All Russia's Black Sea fleet will be upgraded to submarines at this rate. Now if only there were a better way to get over those minefields.
Before and after shot of the airstrike
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I love how Russians say that the Novocherkassk is "damaged but recoverable" lol.
To that point, it might now even matter. In a war of attrition, sometimes it is better to just take something out of commission while forcing or tempting the other side to spend resources in repairs rather than cutting losses and just focusing their resources somewhere else. As long as the ship can't do ship stuff, it's a win for Ukraine. Ideally, you just keep hitting it once it becomes functional again. If you happen to destroy it completely, that works too.
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The sinking of the Novocherkassk has caused Putin to go in a fit of rage, yesterday sending revenge squads in Crimea to confiscate phones and hunt resistance fighters who may have given the position of a ship the size of a football field as if satellite technology doesn't exist.
Today, in what is called the largest barrage of the war, Ukraine was attacked by 122 missiles and 36 drone in the past 24 hours, hitting such prime military targets such as shopping malls, residential buildings, elementary schools, maternity wards
The sinking of the Novocherkassk has caused Putin to go in a fit of rage, yesterday sending revenge squads in Crimea to confiscate phones and hunt resistance fighters who may have given the position of a ship the size of a football field as if satellite technology doesn't exist.
Today, in what is called the largest barrage of the war, Ukraine was attacked by 122 missiles and 36 drone in the past 24 hours, hitting such prime military targets such as shopping malls, residential buildings, elementary schools, maternity wards
They also flew a missile through Polish airspace, but I doubt anything is done about that
Anybody saying that Biden has been an issue with Supporting Ukraine is either clueless or ignorant.
If the Republicans were calling the shots the money would have been shut off a long time ago or not even started. If Trump was calling the shots they might even be sending money to Russia.
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At the risk of being unpopular, I wonder how it is really going? We hear a lot from one side, we are able to hear from the other side, but in truth, I wonder what the reality is?
It seems to be at best a stalemate. If that is the case it can't go on forever. I am assuming that it will end only when Russia is able to save face, and Ukraine gives up some territory, maybe even what Russia has now. Otherwise it will just go on, and without support Ukraine is in trouble. I don't want that to be the outcome at all.
I hate war. Governments fight and citizens are pawns who end up getting hurt and killed. This, along with Israel / Hamas, has to end. Now.
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At the risk of being unpopular, I wonder how it is really going? We hear a lot from one side, we are able to hear from the other side, but in truth, I wonder what the reality is?
It seems to be at best a stalemate. If that is the case it can't go on forever. I am assuming that it will end only when Russia is able to save face, and Ukraine gives up some territory, maybe even what Russia has now. Otherwise it will just go on, and without support Ukraine is in trouble. I don't want that to be the outcome at all.
I hate war. Governments fight and citizens are pawns who end up getting hurt and killed. This, along with Israel / Hamas, has to end. Now.
Putin has stated multpile times that the only way they stop the invasion is if Ukraine demilitarizes and stays away from Nato. And then Russia will hold on to the land they have occupied plus probably a little more and just force a pro Russian regime in.
Unless Putin is bluffing, Ukraine can't just give up some Territory.
But you are right its in a stalemate and without continued support and funding Ukraine is F'd.
That being said Russia is feeling pains internally from sanctions and prioritizing funding the war. It just may not matter with Putin in power.
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Every now and again I also find reports of how Western & European countries refuse to stop selling equipment to Russia, especially military equipment, but at the same time refuse to supply Ukraine with certain weapons because they don't want to 'anger' Russia.
Long term its a mess, which is what Putin likely wants. West and the EU gets weary, agreement is made to secure 'peace' which likely will result in Russia gaining territory and agreements of Ukraine to not join NATO, etc, etc, etc....and here we are.
Almost certain it will go that route at some point.
I also don't see why the US should commit to more funding, when the EU is sitting on their hands with Russia next door.
Putin has stated multpile times that the only way they stop the invasion is if Ukraine demilitarizes and stays away from Nato. And then Russia will hold on to the land they have occupied plus probably a little more and just force a pro Russian regime in.
Unless Putin is bluffing, Ukraine can't just give up some Territory.
But you are right its in a stalemate and without continued support and funding Ukraine is F'd.
That being said Russia is feeling pains internally from sanctions and prioritizing funding the war. It just may not matter with Putin in power.
Pretty clear at this point that the sanctions are weak, and that Russia somehow has no issue funding the meat grinder.
I would say its a certainty at this point that there will be a deal that results in no NATO for Ukraine, and Russia keeps whatever territory they have (not sure how much that is), and long-term agreements to not push the issue, blah, blah, blah.
To me everything was over when I started reading things like this.
From a couple months ago.
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As Russia’s war in Ukraine enters its third winter, Western regulators enforcing sanctions on Moscow are finally turning their attention to Russia’s production and procurement of weapons and their components. Despite Western export controls on military goods and critical components, Russia has ramped up weapons production all across the board, from the drones and cruise missiles that rain death on Ukrainian civilians to the combat vehicles and artillery used to batter Ukrainian troops at the front. There are abundant reports of newly produced Russian weapons filled with Western components, such as powerful Kinzhal and Iskander missiles made with Texas Instruments chips and German coils.
War is good for the military industrial complex, and pretty clear that nobody was going to stop them from making money with this war even if it hurts Ukraine.
If people thought otherwise they were duped, again.
Every now and again I also find reports of how Western & European countries refuse to stop selling equipment to Russia, especially military equipment, but at the same time refuse to supply Ukraine with certain weapons because they don't want to 'anger' Russia.
Long term its a mess, which is what Putin likely wants. West and the EU gets weary, agreement is made to secure 'peace' which likely will result in Russia gaining territory and agreements of Ukraine to not join NATO, etc, etc, etc....and here we are.
Almost certain it will go that route at some point.
I also don't see why the US should commit to more funding, when the EU is sitting on their hands with Russia next door.
Which countries are selling arms to Russia? That's crazy.
