NFL Offseason Player Movement

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Many pros have done it and will continue to do it. Green would not be looked down upon by any other organization for standing up to the Chiefs for treating him like crap. If I was a player I would never sign with the Chiefs for how they've treated Green.

If many pros jumped of a bridge would you? Trent is acting like a professional, not sure who the 'many' you refer to, but if you mean a NYJ Keyshawn, a TB keyshawn, TO or anyone of that ilk then I'd argue that just because there are a few bedwetters, doesn't mean everyone else has to be. KC is not cheating or breaking any rules, they are just demeaning their QB. Stupid, but not unethical. It's a business, KC has a right to shop whoever they want.

The other thing is that as much as they are treating him like 'crap' they will be paying him seven digits this year ... so not that crappy.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

If many pros jumped of a bridge would you? Trent is acting like a professional, not sure who the 'many' you refer to, but if you mean a NYJ Keyshawn, a TB keyshawn, TO or anyone of that ilk then I'd argue that just because there are a few bedwetters, doesn't mean everyone else has to be. KC is not cheating or breaking any rules, they are just demeaning their QB. Stupid, but not unethical. It's a business, KC has a right to shop whoever they want.

The other thing is that as much as they are treating him like 'crap' they will be paying him seven digits this year ... so not that crappy.

No they won't. They will cut him...and the longer they wait the less chance he has of catching on with another team and competing for a starting job. It's classless. What can they possibly hope to gain from it?

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

No they won't. They will cut him...and the longer they wait the less chance he has of catching on with another team and competing for a starting job. It's classless. What can they possibly hope to gain from it?

If they cut him then ya, have they said they are going to do that?

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

If they cut him then ya, have they said they are going to do that?

No but it's obvious they will he's going to be their 3rd string qb you don't pay one that amount of money.

[burn_baby_burn]

The Chiefs love Green. Or so Carl Peterson says. Its Herm that wants to get younger. Carl Peterson is just being cheap and trying to get something in return instead of just letting Trent go. He keeps saying that a starting QB is worth so much on trade. But the reality is Trent is 37 or 38 years old and his health is suspect after the hit he took in week 1 last season. Any team would be crazy to give up much to get him.

Personally I would like to see the Chiefs cut Green and Holmes. It would be nice to see the Chiefs start Croyle and go with youth at the QB position for once. But the fans in KC are fair weather. Peterson has allways kept the Chiefs fighting for a playoff spot his entire time in KC. If he doesn't, Arrowhead will be less than half full like it was in the late 70's and 80's.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

The Chiefs love Green. Or so Carl Peterson says. Its Herm that wants to get younger. Carl Peterson is just being cheap and trying to get something in return instead of just letting Trent go. He keeps saying that a starting QB is worth so much on trade. But the reality is Trent is 37 or 38 years old and his health is suspect after the hit he took in week 1 last season. Any team would be crazy to give up much to get him.

Personally I would like to see the Chiefs cut Green and Holmes. It would be nice to see the Chiefs start Croyle and go with youth at the QB position for once. But the fans in KC are fair weather. Peterson has allways kept the Chiefs fighting for a playoff spot his entire time in KC. If he doesn't, Arrowhead will be less than half full like it was in the late 70's and 80's.

It's one thing to start Croyle, it's another to simply cut the insurance policy. Many historically solid starters play backup for a year on their way out.

At this point a cut makes no sense to me, what exactly would they use the cap room for?

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Sowa

No but it's obvious they will he's going to be their 3rd string qb you don't pay one that amount of money.

3rd string??? Which TWO qb's will play before Green. He may end up second, but don't you think you might be exagerating a little bit?

[Sylvanfan]

Well the Chiefs did resign Damon Huard. I wish they would make up their mind with Green rather than keep him in limbo. He is a classy guy and that scene of him hugging Vermeil after the Raider game just after his father passed away will never be forgotten by me. But he was Vermeils QB and lets face it he's not getting any younger. In the right situation I think he could still be an effective player, but he's no longer the right guy for the Chiefs. Croyle is still a very young QB, and he didn't exactly play a lot of ball in college either, so the Chiefs will need to make sure they have a good backup, or even start the other guy for a few games. Still I think at this point in Greens career he can and will want to be a starter, and for that to be the case he'll have to go somewhere else.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

3rd string??? Which TWO qb's will play before Green. He may end up second, but don't you think you might be exagerating a little bit?

No, he's not.

It will be Huard or Croyle...and then Green...except they won't keep Green, they will without a doubt cut him before they keep him.

Again, what are they gaining by holding on to him this long?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Well the Chiefs did resign Damon Huard. I wish they would make up their mind with Green rather than keep him in limbo. He is a classy guy and that scene of him hugging Vermeil after the Raider game just after his father passed away will never be forgotten by me. But he was Vermeils QB and lets face it he's not getting any younger. In the right situation I think he could still be an effective player, but he's no longer the right guy for the Chiefs. Croyle is still a very young QB, and he didn't exactly play a lot of ball in college either, so the Chiefs will need to make sure they have a good backup, or even start the other guy for a few games. Still I think at this point in Greens career he can and will want to be a starter, and for that to be the case he'll have to go somewhere else.

I agree..and I think most Chiefs fans do. Do you ever listen to Between the Lines with Kevin Kietzman via the internet Syl?

http://www.810whb.com/shows/default.asp?id=btl

This guy is a diehard Chiefs fan, a Peterson supporter and someone who lobbied for Damon Huard to remain the starter when Green returned from injury last year...and he has flat out said that what Carl Peterson is doing with Green is senseless....there's nothing to gain and they are doing nothing but hurting a guy who has been nothing but class since the day he entered the league and damaging their reputation.

Thing is, they did something similar to Eric Hicks last year.

Flames in 07....this is not a couple of guys alone in a though (Sowa and I).

[burn_baby_burn]

The reason that the Chiefs won't simply cut Green, is that Peterson thinks he can get something in return for him. Didn't Miami offer a 5th round pick? Peterson wanted a second round pick. Which team is going to offer that?

[Prototype]

More of a market for a QB when your team goes 0-2 than during training camps. They're trying to drive up the price of one of the most consistant QBs of the 2000s.

[Sylvanfan]

Teams also don't have cap and contract restructuring options once the season gets going. Also at the best of times NFL trade markets are slow as mollasses. Last year the Chiefs started 0-2, were on their backup QB and they didn't make a move and came back to get into the playoffs. So it's not like someone will start 0-2 and suddenly offer up a 2nd round pick for Green with his current contract. So much of NFL offences is knowing the systems and you can't bring in a QB at midseason to take over and expect success. You need the guy in camp to go through the drills, learn the playbook and get the reps with the offence. Cap wise the Chiefs are better off to get a 5th for him now and give him the chance to start fresh somewhere else rather than be greedy and be forced into a position where they cut him.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Prottotype

More of a market for a QB when your team goes 0-2 than during training camps. They're trying to drive up the price of one of the most consistant QBs of the 2000s.

Actually what team is going to trade for him when they know the Chiefs are going to have to release him. They won't continue paying him a large contract to be 3rd string.

[Bobblehead]

Jason Webster signs a one year deal with the Bills.

[Bobblehead]

I just noticed this. Looking at the NFL page of CNNSI:

• Skins players defend Vick on dog fighting
• Owners to pick Super site, perhaps trim draft
• Agent claims Bengals' Henry drug test clean
• Patriots re-sign veteran Seau | MORE PATS
• Bengals waive LB Nicholson after charges
• CB Webster agrees to 1-year deal with Bills
• Staubach heads Cowboys' Super Bowl bid
• Kircus arrested for assault | MORE BRONCOS
• Jets' Pro Bowl KR Miller arrested for assault
• Culpepper practices | 'Fins don't want Ricky

So, do the players not believe that Goodell is serious?
10 headlines on Sports Illustrated's NFL page, and 5 of them are dealing with player "issues".
Does Goodell need wholesale suspensions before these players get the message? How many players are going to be suspended for the first few weeks of the season?

(If they are cut do any potential suspension come into effect when they are signed, or of they are cut for the first 4 games do those count against the suspension?)

[Displaced Flames fan]

Really dumb move by Kircus.

He is at best 5th on the depth chart going into camp...and the Broncos have a rookie that was injured last year that they are very high on and just re-signed David Terrell.

He's in trouble in terms of keeping his job.

[Displaced Flames fan]

BTW...absolutely shocked that Chris Henry passed a drug test if it's true.

Stunning news really.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Prottotype

More of a market for a QB when your team goes 0-2 than during training camps. They're trying to drive up the price of one of the most consistant QBs of the 2000s.

I read that at this point KC wants a #4.

[Flames in 07]

Re Trent Green:
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10192585

"I understand what Miami is doing. It's betting that Kansas City folds and either takes its offer or cuts the guy. But I wouldn't be so certain. From what I understand of what's going on in Kansas City, the club is willing to stand by Green and his $7.2 million deal through training camp and, if necessary, into the season"


Will be interesting to watch.