[PGT] Kraken beat Flames 2-1

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by kehatch

The coaches need to do something.

Move Mangiapane back to the Backlund line. He has one goal in December and doesn't look good.

I like Pospisil, but he isn't a top 6 player. He has two points in December despite being on the top offensive line. Try Huberdeau there. He has looked great with Zary the little time they have been together. Plus, Huberdeau should be on the offensive line not the shutdown line.

Sharangovich and Lindholm have some chemistry. Try calling up Kerins, Coranato, or Petersen. In a pinch put Pospisil or Greer there to give them a bit of oomph. But move Mangiapane off that line.

And for cripes sake, scratch Dube. Waive him if you need to make room. He has zero points December and is a - 3 over that time. Ruzicka and Dueher can't buy a game most nights and they have been better.

Honestly. At this point if I was the coach I would put the biggest underperformers on the fourth line and give them 8 to 10 minutes.

Dube, Huberdeau and Mangiapane.

[Harry Lime]

I watched the back half of the game, and there was one play where Dube ran the net, backhand to forehand shot which was saved. Looked engaged, and then never saw him again.

He's not going to improve his play or stats on this team. I think that he's gone. Also have questions about Eat Bread, who is not the player he was the last few years. I'd guess that those are the two non-ufas that might see their way out.

[Vedder]

Was worried about the Flames based on their lack of top end talent and a 14-16-5 record. Grateful to learn it’s only because they didn’t hire Mitch Love. Cancel the rebuild, this is clearly a systems issue.

[Goriders]

I thought our leading scorer was Coleman. In fact it is Kadri.

He is 83rd in league scoring.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I thought our leading scorer was Coleman. In fact it is Kadri.

He is 83rd in league scoring.

League has over 600 active players so well above average.

[dino7c]

Flames have like 14 power play goals

big factor in not having any top scorers

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by zamler

League has over 600 active players so well above average.

Wow. That’s the bar? Yikes

I should hope the top player is above league average

32 teams, you’d think the average top scorer would be closer to top 32 in the league

Are you being funny? Or are we in bizarro land

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Honestly. At this point if I was the coach I would put the biggest underperformers on the fourth line and give them 8 to 10 minutes.

Dube, Huberdeau and Mangiapane.

Those 3 players make nearly $20M in combined salary. 10.5 + 5.8 + 2.3. That's a lot of underperformers.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Vedder

Was worried about the Flames based on their lack of top end talent and a 14-16-5 record. Grateful to learn it’s only because they didn’t hire Mitch Love. Cancel the rebuild, this is clearly a systems issue.

The coaching staff are limited to what the roster is capable of. I think we all appreciate the Flames roster is somewhere between mediocre and yikes. But is what we are seeing the best this roster can deliver? Considering both the team and individual performance has taken a step back from "Lex Sutter's" Flames, I would say no.

[skcli]

It is the roster not the coach. Remember Sutter? This is a yikes roster with lots of passengers. It is what it is. Keep up the hopes for a top 3 pick.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

He felt he earned the job here and was snubbed, so he left he organization. Would he be worse than Huska? I guess there are 6 spots left to drop. The point is he at least has a history of some success as a head coach. Huska has none.

The Wranglers don't seem to miss Mitch Love. That team has not skipped a beat in his absence.

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[442scotty]

A few players on the team, Mangiapane and Dube for sure, lack the drive and desire that they once had. They have enough skill but don’t have the drive or desire/ passion any more. Ship them out because they’re a cancer now.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

A few players on the team, Mangiapane and Dube for sure, lack the drive and desire that they once had. They have enough skill but don’t have the drive or desire/ passion any more. Ship them out because they’re a cancer now.

Correct because once you make retirement level money you have nothing motivating you to work hard. Particularly once you’re out of contention of a cup in any realistic scenario.

This is why, fundamentally, Calgary’s strategy must be to build through the draft and why they need to rebuild. Only way to retain players and not overpay.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Nobody has PP points so that really factors into totals.

In Edmonton that's where most of the individual points are collected.

If you look up ES totals the Flames probably have guys further up there.

Mangiapane and Dube appear to be changing nothing about their approaches and have become predictable and disappointing. Guys that "sell out" after their first big contracts can skidaddle for sure.

Not saying it's easy. It's a tough league, but these guys lack the passion and drive they once showed that earned them those contracts. And you can't fake that genuine GAF.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I'm not bothered by Huska too much. Probably the perfect guy for a sell off. I'm happy he had them playing hard and hope that carries through after the trade deadline. It's a good habit to keep for the young players.

Huska is fine considering where the team is.
Maybe he'll grow with the young players and be really good later or maybe he's kind of interim while the rebuild happens.
Either way, I agree he's not a big problem considering where the team's at.

[CFO]

Dube is still young and contract is digestible. Flames need to move him for a reclamation potential project.

Something like Dube for frost. That kind of move. And hopefully it works out so that the incoming player can pick up a center hole once Lindholm is traded.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Honestly. At this point if I was the coach I would put the biggest underperformers on the fourth line and give them 8 to 10 minutes.

Can we really have 12 4th liners playing 8-10 minutes a night?

We'll need to ice 6-7 lines to finish the game.

[Flamesfan05]

It was a one line team. Never performed unless Gaudreau’s line had a great year. The wizard failed in building the rest of the team.

I guess Huska does what is expected of what he got. The only problem is so many vets underperforming now and there seems little hope for them. Huberdeau, Mangiapane and Dube. Even Backlund and Andersson are underwhelming

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It was a one line team. Never performed unless Gaudreau’s line had a great year. The wizard failed in building the rest of the team.

I guess Huska does what is expected of what he got. The only problem is so many vets underperforming now and there seems little hope for them. Huberdeau, Mangiapane and Dube. Even Backlund and Andersson are underwhelming

If you look, you can frame the argument that all teams are “one line teams”.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

If you look, you can frame the argument that all teams are “one line teams”.

Probably, all bad teams

Some good team have secondary scoring or people to step up when their stars struggle