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Old 12-20-2023, 04:42 AM   #12561
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can't wait to see how the radical part of the SC is going to twist these words.
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Old 12-20-2023, 07:22 AM   #12562
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The issue with the ruling in Colorado is that Trump has not (yet) been convicted of insurrection or treason so the court is basing their findings on an accusation. Even the Colorado Chief Justice was in dissent of the majority opinion (which was 4-3). I think this will very likely get thrown out by the US Supreme Court. In fact, now the MAGAts are using this as an unironic excuse to cry about how the court is trying to undermine the democratic process. This just feeds into their playbook to obfuscate, deflect, deny, lie and cheat. Their idiot supporters eat it up like it's a Denny's Grandslam served on a dirty, old National Enquirer at 3am after a Monster Truck show.
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Sadly, nothing will come of this. The US is unutterably broken.
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Old 12-20-2023, 09:38 AM   #12564
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Sadly, nothing will come of this. The US is unutterably broken.
Its just one step closer to what the US will eventually devolve into... the Supreme Court deciding every election.
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The issue with the ruling in Colorado is that Trump has not (yet) been convicted of insurrection or treason so the court is basing their findings on an accusation.
The court itself evaluated the claim and found it true.. The constitution doesn't say that someone has to have been convicted of it in a criminal trial, and the courts evaluating if the condition has been met seems to be the proper level.

But I'm sure that's the thing the SCOTUS will use to overturn the ruling.
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FAFO, Kari. You and Rudy can open a MAGA lemonade stand and sell yellow fluid to your cultists to pay it back.


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The court itself evaluated the claim and found it true.. The constitution doesn't say that someone has to have been convicted of it in a criminal trial, and the courts evaluating if the condition has been met seems to be the proper level.

But I'm sure that's the thing the SCOTUS will use to overturn the ruling.
Their evaluation was quick and, it could be argued, not very thorough. I personally believe that it was insurrection and treason. However, I worry about the precedent these sorts of rulings have. At the end of the day, it's the rule of law that will keep Trump and his gang of merry fascists from destroying the country. The rule of law needs to be upheld even when the absence of a fair process is hurting bad actors.
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so she's still harping about election fraud and grifting people into donating money, while her lawyers call it "imaginative expression or rhetorical hyperbole" at court? Not surprised, but still ... wow. These people really have no shame.
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Old 12-20-2023, 12:23 PM   #12569
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so she's still harping about election fraud and grifting people into donating money, while her lawyers call it "imaginative expression or rhetorical hyperbole" at court? Not surprised, but still ... wow. These people really have no shame.
She knows the election wasn’t stolen but she’ll continue the grift until the money dries up.
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Their evaluation was quick and, it could be argued, not very thorough. I personally believe that it was insurrection and treason. However, I worry about the precedent these sorts of rulings have. At the end of the day, it's the rule of law that will keep Trump and his gang of merry fascists from destroying the country. The rule of law needs to be upheld even when the absence of a fair process is hurting bad actors.
That's fair. It's just amazing that there's options to protect the country in place but there's fear of using them because someone else will abuse them in retaliation.

Ideally a SCOTUS ruling would make it clearer on how the amendment would actually be used, but I'll bet they won't even do that much.

Not that it matters much, Trump doesn't need Colorado's electors, and I doubt there's a state that would mirror this that take away EC votes from Trump.
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Vivek, taking a stand!

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Isn't much of a stand when you have 4% of the gop base
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Yeah, I’ll take my 4% share and go home.
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Translation: Trump Trump over here Trump VP pick Trump Trump TrumpTrumpTrump look at me Trump pick me pick me pick me mememe!
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Vivek, what a hero. Stand for the orange crime boss no matter what!
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I think Trump is a pig but the Colorado decision is a terrible legal mistake and an awful precedence that hopefully will be overturned and likely will be overturned. This can only lead to Tit for Tat reprisals and further law fair. The idea that a democratic appointed court can remove someone off of ballot without due process is pretty silly to me
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I think Trump is a pig but the Colorado decision is a terrible legal mistake and an awful precedence that hopefully will be overturned and likely will be overturned. This can only lead to Tit for Tat reprisals and further law fair. The idea that a democratic appointed court can remove someone off of ballot without due process is pretty silly to me
the idea you can try and overturn democracy but when you eff it up get a mulligan and try again 4 years later is absurd
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Old 12-21-2023, 10:31 AM   #12579
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The 14th amendment is probably the most legally analyzed part of the constitution.

I don't see how a state supreme court could be seen as doing something "illegal" around this amendment.
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Their evaluation was quick and, it could be argued, not very thorough. I personally believe that it was insurrection and treason. However, I worry about the precedent these sorts of rulings have. At the end of the day, it's the rule of law that will keep Trump and his gang of merry fascists from destroying the country. The rule of law needs to be upheld even when the absence of a fair process is hurting bad actors.



Here is the full text from the decision regarding the two questions: "What is an insurrection?" and "Did Donald Trump 'engage in' an insurrection?"

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The formatting gets a little wonky, but if you want to call 19 pages, (14%) of the decision "quick and not very thorough" that's your prerogative.

You can read the entire decision here: https://www.courts.state.co.us/userf...23/23SA300.pdf

Warning: clicking the link will auto-download the decision as a .pdf.
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