2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[keenan87]

I remember Steinberg proposing a $6 MM a year for 6 years deal for Dube earlier this season.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I remember Steinberg proposing a $6 MM a year for 6 years deal for Dube earlier this season.

Yeah, he definitely did. He was saying that Dube is going to have a break-out year, and it would be smart to lock him up to a 6x6 before.

[Bingo]

In all fairness Dillon Dube went from 1.59 points / 60 to 2.23 points /60 five on five last season.

That looks very much like a potential pop player.

At 1.59 he's a 6th forward on the average team.
At 2.23 he's a 3rd forward on the average team.

So if you thought last year's pop was a sign of a future floor that's probably a solid contract for the Flames.

This year he's on pace for his worst offensive season of his career at 1.14.

Why?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

In all fairness Dillon Dube went from 1.59 points / 60 to 2.23 points /60 five on five last season.

That looks very much like a potential pop player.

At 1.59 he's a 6th forward on the average team.
At 2.23 he's a 3rd forward on the average team.

So if you thought last year's pop was a sign of a future floor that's probably a solid contract for the Flames.

This year he's on pace for his worst offensive season of his career at 1.14.

Why?

Didn’t produce off the bat in the top 6 in the first 10 games or so. Demoted to the bottom line where he’s sure not to produce. Hard to dig out of that one.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Didn’t produce off the bat in the top 6 in the first 10 games or so. Demoted to the bottom line where he’s sure not to produce. Hard to dig out of that one.

That swings it too far towards not being the player's fault. He has to wear some of it.

His two most frequent linemates are Ruzicka and Greer so there is that. But #3 is Kadri and #4 is Lindholm with 104 and 67 minutes respectively.

[Caged Great]

To be fair, I was expecting both Dube and Mangiapane to have really good seasons too heading into this year. However, Dube looks like someone you just let walk because you could at this point replace him with a random waiver claim 4th liner and not miss anything. Mangiapane is certainly looking like someone that could be bought out. He is not playing like a 4 million dollar player. I’d rather buy him out at this point and replace him with a taller player that is worth the 4 million just to change the makeup of the team.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

To be fair, I was expecting both Dube and Mangiapane to have really good seasons too heading into this year. However, Dube looks like someone you just let walk because you could at this point replace him with a random waiver claim 4th liner and not miss anything. Mangiapane is certainly looking like someone that could be bought out. He is not playing like a 4 million dollar player. I’d rather buy him out at this point and replace him with a taller player that is worth the 4 million just to change the makeup of the team.

Fortunately both players are young enough that someone will take a chance on them. Not expecting much, but need to change makeup of team. Neither moves the needle or will be around when we are back in a position to compete.

[Bingo]

Not sure the Flames will need to buy out anyone in the next few years.

The smart money is let Mangiapane's contract run out and sign him to a new lesser deal.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not sure the Flames will need to buy out anyone in the next few years.

The smart money is let Mangiapane's contract run out and sign him to a new lesser deal.

Or hope that he has an uptick next season and we can trade him at the deadline for a good return.

[bigrangy]

Mangiapane’s “poor” play this season is entirely attributable to the team’s dog#### PP. His 5v5 metrics are directly in line with career averages. Just an easy 2.1-2.2 points/60 with solid relative fancies. His shooting is down relative to career totals but he is getting more assists to make up for it.

There’s like 3 or 4 players league wide that can produce good results offensively without being on an effective PP. Some of the PP woes are on Mangiapane since he should be a key part of it but given that the entire team can’t score on it I would be hesitant to hold it against him. Mangiapane is still what he’s always been this year, a solid top 6 forward who can score while also being responsible enough defensively to handle any matchup.

[Sandman]

I’m done with Dube AND Mangiapane.

[Roof-Daddy]

Mangiapane (and Sharangovich for that matter) are trade bait for next seasons trade deadline. This team is going to get worse before it gets better.

Hard to believe Mangi and Ras are already 27

Coming up on D+9

Crazy

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Mangiapane (and Sharangovich for that matter) are trade bait for next seasons trade deadline. This team is going to get worse before it gets better.

Hard to believe Mangi and Ras are already 27

Coming up on D+9

Crazy

If Sharky keeps his form from this year, no. Re-sign him if cap-friendly.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

If Sharky keeps his form from this year, no. Re-sign him if cap-friendly.

That DMD or something guy on twitter that seems to have some contacts said that Sharangovich and the Flames effectively agreed to an extension that will be exercised after his first year in Calgary.

Not sure if true, or how that works (who's option) etc

[Southside403]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I’m done with Dube AND Mangiapane.

What's crazy is those players want to be flames

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I’m done with Dube AND Mangiapane.

I give Mangiapane a bit of a break due to off season shoulder surgery, but Dube has done nothing, puck continually dies off his stick, misses the net and mostly doesn't even see open teammates.

[Calgary4LIfe]

It seems like the Flames will have a lot of cap room next season, so they could qualify Dube without too much risk.


At the end of the day, Dube has shown to be able to play well in this league and put up points, plus he plays a sneaky gritty game, has always been a leader, and helps to make this team faster. He has two consecutive 18 goal seasons prior to this year as well. So is he suddenly like Jankowski who just flipped the off switch after looking fantastic for two seasons, only to completely regress into a below-replacement level player, never to return to form? Or is this simply a down year you gamble on?


Mangiapane is an interesting case too, but he is signed. Flames don't need the cap space, so no use trying to sell low on him. Hopefully he rebounds. This should have been a bit of a bargain deal given his performance history.



The good news is that all 4 players (Huberdeau and Lindholm included) have regressed. I would have thought that based on how Conroy and Huska spoke about allowing the forwards to be creative on offence, as well as having the defencemen so aggressive offensively allowing for more options and forcing defensive zone breakdowns for the opposing teams, that the 'east-west' players on the team would improve, and perhaps the North-South guys would regress.


Dube is a north-south player to me, and he regressed. Coleman is a north-south player, and he is having a career year, so there goes that theory. I would gamble on Dube rebounding if for no other reason than the 3 other players mentioned are also regressing heavily. It can't just be him forgetting how to play, and I do have faith in Huska making tweaks and getting more out of the forwards as the season progresses, if not next season. Unless the Flames have a use for that cap space, I would say try and extend Dube for another season (at a pay-cut - he isn't going to get anywhere close to his qualifying offer anywhere in the league anyway), and roll the dice. That's what you can do when you are not a team that is competing.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That DMD or something guy on twitter that seems to have some contacts said that Sharangovich and the Flames effectively agreed to an extension that will be exercised after his first year in Calgary.

Not sure if true, or how that works (who's option) etc

Can’t actually agree that far in advance, so not enforceable by either party.

So if he either exceeds or not exceed expectations, those numbers will change.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

It seems like the Flames will have a lot of cap room next season, so they could qualify Dube without too much risk.


At the end of the day, Dube has shown to be able to play well in this league and put up points, plus he plays a sneaky gritty game, has always been a leader, and helps to make this team faster. He has two consecutive 18 goal seasons prior to this year as well. So is he suddenly like Jankowski who just flipped the off switch after looking fantastic for two seasons, only to completely regress into a below-replacement level player, never to return to form? Or is this simply a down year you gamble on?


Mangiapane is an interesting case too, but he is signed. Flames don't need the cap space, so no use trying to sell low on him. Hopefully he rebounds. This should have been a bit of a bargain deal given his performance history.



The good news is that all 4 players (Huberdeau and Lindholm included) have regressed. I would have thought that based on how Conroy and Huska spoke about allowing the forwards to be creative on offence, as well as having the defencemen so aggressive offensively allowing for more options and forcing defensive zone breakdowns for the opposing teams, that the 'east-west' players on the team would improve, and perhaps the North-South guys would regress.


Dube is a north-south player to me, and he regressed. Coleman is a north-south player, and he is having a career year, so there goes that theory. I would gamble on Dube rebounding if for no other reason than the 3 other players mentioned are also regressing heavily. It can't just be him forgetting how to play, and I do have faith in Huska making tweaks and getting more out of the forwards as the season progresses, if not next season. Unless the Flames have a use for that cap space, I would say try and extend Dube for another season (at a pay-cut - he isn't going to get anywhere close to his qualifying offer anywhere in the league anyway), and roll the dice. That's what you can do when you are not a team that is competing.

Since the Flames will need to offer a Dubé a qualifying offer $ 2.4M to retain his rights, they will need to do that or he becomes a UFA. He’s not taking any pay cut.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Flames and Dube can negotiate his contract, and he can certainly sign a lower value deal. He can test out free agency - and I assume he will - but he isn't going to get over 2 million anywhere.