2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Enoch Root]

GMs are going to look bigger picture than current points, and attempt to determine what the player is, and what they will be going forward.

Anyone and everyone would agree that Horvat and Lindholm are at least fairly similar as players, and I would think most would agree that Lindholm is probably the superior player.

Of course, the next step is factoring in the contract.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Horvat had over a PPG and was on pace for 50 goals when he was traded. That is a player who was playing at a much higher level than Lindholm currently is.

Lindholm had the better overall track record and would have been seen as the better defensive / 200 ft player.

No GM is making that trade and signing a player to an 8 year deal based on the 40 games he played before the trade.

[ForeverFlameFan]

An argument made for both.

I think we can agree Lindholm is at least worth a 1st, a prospect, and a roster player.

I’d really like Washington to try and go for him. They are in denial with rebuilding, there’s no more Backstrom, so they can afford to pay Lindholm what he wants and gives them a good center with Ovechkin for the remainder of his career.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

https://x.com/KevinWeekes/status/173...412166788?s=20

Sounds like Carolina is calling up their top goalie prospect right from the ECHL. Not sure I've ever seen a player called up from the ECHL to the NHL before.

As an aside it's pretty crazy that Carolina doesn't have an AHL affiliate.

Way to invest nothing into player development. Honestly negligent by a franchise to just leave their player development in the hands of other organizations pretty much.

This surprises me because of the sheer amount of success the Huricanes had in turning prospects into NHLers. I just associate great drafting and player development with the Canes.

Aho(2nd round pick), Slavin(4th round pick), Pesce(3rd round pick). Not to mention their 1st rounders of Svechnikov, Necas, and Jarvis. Then you have a bunch of guys they traded, like Loustarinen, Lindholm, Hanifin, and Foegele.

[Sandman]

I would LOVE to pry Ryan Leonard away from Washington, but that ain’t happening. Hendrix Lapierre is much more plausible. They might be willing to part with Connor McMichael, who may need a change of scenery.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I would LOVE to pry Ryan Leonard away from Washington, but that ain’t happening. Hendrix Lapierre is much more plausible. They might be willing to part with Connor McMichael, who may need a change of scenery.

I don’t think Leonard would be dealt, but I would absolutely take on any cap dumps for us to get Cristall.

Something like Cristall, Jensen/TVR, Mantha, and 2024 1st for Lindholm and Tanev. Washington even gets a little more space to play with for the deadline. They’re going to need it to make it to the playoffs with the amount of teams fighting for a spot in the east.

EDIT: Cristall is almost 2 PPG right now, might have to settle for a 2nd rounder at that rate.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

An argument made for both.

I think we can agree Lindholm is at least worth a 1st, a prospect, and a roster player.

I’d really like Washington to try and go for him. They are in denial with rebuilding, there’s no more Backstrom, so they can afford to pay Lindholm what he wants and gives them a good center with Ovechkin for the remainder of his career.

That's where I would love getting more assets for taking a guy like Kuznetsov back. I think he's looking for a way out of WSH, and would require a substantial sweetener to trade. I also think that there might be a small chance that he and Huberdeau click, but that wouldn't be the main reason for taking on a bad contract.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

1st + Yager for Lindholm?

That's a homerun in my eyes.

Rakell being included as a cap dump? Meh either way.

I figure if you can argue it was a good/bad trade for both sides… it’s not unreasonable. Feels like a win/lose for both sides.

But I still doubt either side would let it get to that point even though I proposed this trade. The flames would hate to take back such a bad contract. And the penguins would hate to trade the best prospect they have had in 10 years.

I just wouldn’t be very excited if all the flames got was a protected 2025 first round pick + B-level prospects. That’s likely what they get though (similar to the Horvat and O’reilly returns).

[Snuffleupagus]

I think this place is going to explode when we see what little return we get for Lindholm but possibly very happy of the return for Hanifin.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I think this place is going to explode when we see what little return we get for Lindholm but possibly very happy of the return for Hanifin.

If that scenario happens with Lindholm, it’s on Conroy. The next few months until the deadline are absolutely critical, and it may tell us what we have in our GM.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I think this place is going to explode when we see what little return we get for Lindholm but possibly very happy of the return for Hanifin.

There is zero reason he shouldn’t return a 1st.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Sandman

If that scenario happens with Lindholm, it’s on Conroy. The next few months until the deadline are absolutely critical, and it may tell us what we have in our GM.

How is it on Conroy?
He doesn’t control the market or the performance of the player

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How is it on Conroy?
He doesn’t control the market or the performance of the player

The first rule of management is that it is always your fault.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I think this place is going to explode when we see what little return we get for Lindholm but possibly very happy of the return for Hanifin.

Ahh, the traditional people are going to be shocked at how little our player is worth post, it never fails. I am confident the return is going to be quite acceptable on Lindholm, that salary combined with the history of the player is going to create a bunch of interested teams as we get closer to the deadline.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How is it on Conroy?
He doesn’t control the market or the performance of the player

Why do we even have a GM if everything is contingent on external forces then?

Put an inanimate carbon rod in his chair and save a few bucks. In rod we trust.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Why do we even have a GM if everything is contingent on external forces then?

Put an inanimate carbon rod in his chair and save a few bucks. In rod we trust.

The market is pretty key no?

Unless you're suggesting Conroy isn't smart enough to a) talk to more than one team or b) be able to assess which package is better I'm not sure what more he can do.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Why do we even have a GM if everything is contingent on external forces then?

Put an inanimate carbon rod in his chair and save a few bucks. In rod we trust.

Pretty much every GM is in the same position because of the flat cap. I am sure Conroy is working hard to plant the seeds for future moves once the market is better. Trades don't always happen quickly when discussions start. The talks often go on for months.

It doesn't help that former management left him handcuffed in a lot of ways. It's going to take time to unthread this knot.

[blender]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ahh, the traditional people are going to be shocked at how little our player is worth post.

It's the gift that keeps on giving the whole year through!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Why do we even have a GM if everything is contingent on external forces then?

Every transaction in every marketplace is contingent on external forces, because there is always more than one participant. Do you refuse to shop for groceries because the supermarket is setting the prices?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Sandman

If that scenario happens with Lindholm, it’s on Conroy. The next few months until the deadline are absolutely critical, and it may tell us what we have in our GM.

At the end of the day, the Flames were wrong in how they assessed things back the in the Summer. The time to plan was then (although Conroy didn’t make things any worse - and I guess that’s a positive).

Now? Conroy is just reacting to how things have played out. So long as we gather assets for the future, I’m fine with whatever comes. Gear the trades to the future, and that’s just making the best of a bad situation - and that situation was built in the summer.