2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

The amount of media that played into what he said and the Kyrou/Berube relationship even before the game started made what happened much less surprising.

Was lots of buildup.

Maybe over the top, but on the other hand really nice to see a passionate fanbase come together showing an outgoing coach support.

They gave Kyrou the type of reaction for Berube that Huberdeau should be getting every game for Sutter

Sutter was fired because he was a dick who treated people poorly.

[gvitaly]

Sorry for the click bait title(posted it before reading):
Valmiaki's old injury from Nov 14 revisited

Originally Posted by Seravalli

Valimaki was in need of immediate care. With his face bloodied, a hole in his mouth and significant internal bleeding, Valimaki was unable to function, sources said. Doctors later told Valimaki that if he had returned to a hotel and slept it off as directed by the hospital, there was a chance he could have asphyxiated on his own blood. It wasn’t until five hours later, and only after the NHLPA stepped in to assist, that Valimaki received 55 stitches in his mouth to close the wound, which included a fractured bone and the loss of three teeth.

That sounded much worse than it was. Did they adopt Canadian healthcare in Dallas?

[Calgary4LIfe]

I do think that the reaction by the fans was a little surprising, but should we have been surprised?


Berube was beloved in the city after turning that team a few seasons ago, and winning the Blues' first and only Stanley Cup. He is an absolute hero in that city. On top of this, most people felt that the wrong person was fired, and that Berube should have been retained while the GM was fired instead.



Then you add in the fact that Kyrou has largely been in Berube's doghouse constantly. Kyrou is basically a one-dimensional floater. He doesn't commit to playing defence at all, and he gets called out by Berube on it often. Everyone knew that the relationship between Kyrou and Berube was strained.


So when Berube gets turfed, and Kyrou makes his 'no comment' comment, and some other stuff being talked about, Kyrou was obviously a guy who was happy about the firing. So you have one guy who is seen as a bit of a problem (Kyrou) being happy about a hero (Berube) getting fired. Yeah, boos aren't surprising.


It will be interesting to see if his tearing up during the interview will be enough to appease the fans or not. I guess the next St. Louis home game will be a must watch.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That's a strange way of expressing that opinion LOL.

You indicated they have no trade bait, when they have considerable.

context, you took my post alone when it was a reply

I was merely pointing out to the other poster the two teams are at different stages of their cycles

Flames have multiple of the top players on the market that will actually be traded this season...Anaheim has sucked for multiple years, obviously they have more young talent and less veteran talent currently.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

context, you took my post alone when it was a reply

I was merely pointing out to the other poster the two teams are at different stages of their cycles

Flames have multiple of the top players on the market that will actually be traded this season...Anaheim has sucked for multiple years, obviously they have more young talent and less veteran talent currently.

Teams with considerable trade bait as you called it aren't even at the bottom of their cycle as they still have the crash and burn cycle yet to come, because the reason they have considerable trade bait is they have considerable UFA's they are trading.

No team including the Ducks wish they had trade bait of the type you were describing. It means they even haven't hit rock bottom yet, that is still to come.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The fan response is not proportional to what he said.

It is proportional in their minds. And tough to read this situation from far away.

It wasn't just the words. It was his tone, the fact his play hasn't been good and the departed coach wouldn't put up with it.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I'll be fine with any result the rest of the year as soon as we're sitting on multiple 1sts in this year's draft.

I've waited for that day for a long time. We should have 3 by the TDL with the pieces we're shopping.

Hopefully one top ten, one 10-20 and one 20-32

[saillias]

I'm not sure why there's an argument about our tradebait vs ... Anaheim. They do not have attractive UFAs, Henrique and Silfverberg are not going to have a hot market.

Gibson is competition for moving Markstrom if Conroy looks to do that but that's about it.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I'll be fine with any result the rest of the year as soon as we're sitting on multiple 1sts in this year's draft.

I've waited for that day for a long time. We should have 3 by the TDL with the pieces we're shopping.

Hopefully one top ten, one 10-20 and one 20-32

You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I'll be fine with any result the rest of the year as soon as we're sitting on multiple 1sts in this year's draft.

I've waited for that day for a long time. We should have 3 by the TDL with the pieces we're shopping.

Hopefully one top ten, one 10-20 and one 20-32

Agreed, and it just has to turn out better then the last time the Flames had 3 first round picks. Monahan was great at 6 (obviously) but just a complete waste of the other 2 picks.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Unless we're getting a good prospect back as a substitute, why wouldn't lindholm and hanifin each return a 1st?

That's the implication. Don't think that's unreasonable. At TDL, that's historically the market value for players like those, with some additional picks or prospects tacked on.

I suspect the top 10 pick to be the flames' own pick

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Sorry for the click bait title(posted it before reading):
Valmiaki's old injury from Nov 14 revisited



That sounded much worse than it was. Did they adopt Canadian healthcare in Dallas?

Not really, if he was here, it would have taken 16 hours of waiting, before he was told to go home.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Unless we're getting a good prospect back as a substitute, why wouldn't lindholm and hanifin each return a 1st?

That's the implication. Don't think that's unreasonable. At TDL, that's historically the market value for players like those, with some additional picks or prospects tacked on.

I suspect the top 10 pick to be the flames' own pick

10-20 pick range might be a bit strong but at least two later firsts.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Agreed, and it just has to turn out better then the last time the Flames had 3 first round picks. Monahan was great at 6 (obviously) but just a complete waste of the other 2 picks.

Poirier over Burakovsky or Theodore was unfortunate but a lot was off ice stuff. Honestly, Klimchuk over anyone that follows was a dart throw. Hartman has done OK but no one else really - not in the vicinity of the 30th pick.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

10-20 pick range might be a bit strong but at least two later firsts.

Not strong at all, you are under valuing them compared to what GM's think. If it is a late first there will be at least a very good prospect tied to it as well for either player.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Teams with considerable trade bait as you called it aren't even at the bottom of their cycle as they still have the crash and burn cycle yet to come, because the reason they have considerable trade bait is they have considerable UFA's they are trading.

No team including the Ducks wish they had trade bait of the type you were describing. It means they even haven't hit rock bottom yet, that is still to come.

AGAIN you are missing the context...honestly just forget it

I never said they want to trade rosters with the Flames

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sutter was fired because he was a dick who treated people poorly.

It's hilarious how people keep bringing up Sutter and blaming Huberdeau.

Would have been more hilarious if Tkachuk had him turfed and signed an extension with us. I wonder how hated he would be?

Berube was publicly destroying Thomas and Kyrou. You can't do that.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It's hilarious how people keep bringing up Sutter and blaming Huberdeau.

Would have been more hilarious if Tkachuk had him turfed and signed an extension with us. I wonder how hated he would be?

Berube was publicly destroying Thomas and Kyrou. You can't do that.

It's not really that many people, it's just AustinL who has been on that crusade all offseason and season so far.

No matter how many times you tell him that it's disconnected from reality, and that it's much bigger than Huberdeau vs Sutter he just digs his head in the sand and ignores it.

90% of the roster, coaching staff, and people around the organization wanted Sutter gone.

It has very little to do with Huberdeau, it has a lot more to do with Sutter just being an a-hole that didn't treat anybody around the organization well.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It's hilarious how people keep bringing up Sutter and blaming Huberdeau.

Would have been more hilarious if Tkachuk had him turfed and signed an extension with us. I wonder how hated he would be?

Berube was publicly destroying Thomas and Kyrou. You can't do that.

We've established my half-trolling Sutter posts on here (that was my first Sutter/Huberdeau reference in a couple months) so calm down haha

But as for not being able to publicly destroy Thomas & Kyrou, clearly the public chose to side very clearly with one side here (the guy doing the things he can't do).

I'm sure Kyrou learned his lesson and the fanbase will give him back the love, but nice to see a fanbase not take the easy road and just simply point the finger at the "mean" head coach for its star player(s) issues, but rather give it to the lacking player that remains on the team and is clearly happy about getting to play for an easier coach (*cough* *Huberdeau* *cough* okay okay I'm done).

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

We've established my Sutter posts on here (that was my first Sutter/Huberdeau reference in a couple months) so calm down haha

But as for not being able to publicly destroy Thomas & Kyrou, clearly the public chose to side very clearly with one side here (the guy doing the things he can't do).

I'm sure Kyrou learned his lesson and the fanbase will give him back the love, but nice to see a fanbase not take the easy road and just simply point the finger at the "mean" head coach for its star player(s) issues, but rather give it to the lacking player that remains on the team and is clearly happy about getting to play for an easier coach (*cough* *Huberdeau* *cough* okay okay I'm done).

Personally as a fan of the Flames team I'd rather cheer for the team and not the coach that's not coaching there anymore.

Especially over comments that were the normal hockey cliche "No comment, not my coach anymore."

Like how is that any different when they ask a coach about a player that's been traded and he goes "I'm going to focus on the guys in the room".

Overreaction by the Blues fanbase, and really a huge stretch to compare any similarities to Huberdeau and Sutter anyways.

If people want to boo Huberdeau it should be because he's been terrible, not because of some perceived slight that he's the reason Sutter was fired or because of the most vanilla comments a player could make in the media.