2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Were willing to retain if Toronto would meet their price, which they didn't. They still didn't get the deal done. The Flames have not retained any amount of significance to make a deal happen. Lets see the team make a deal with retention of significance before suggesting they will do so or eat significant salary to make deals or take on bad contracts for draft picks because they really haven't in the past. They've been the opposite in this regard. They should be doing this, but they've yet to pop that cherry and use the retention strategy with any meaning.

They wanted Tanev and Zadorov retained. Assuming they will actually use retention the Leafs would have to really pay up for that.

Retaining on Zadorov might get you a slightly better pick. Retaining on Tanev/Lindholm/Hanifin probably gets you an extra pick.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So in other words teams should just hang up when Treliving calls them? It's kind of hard to make a trade in today's NHL if all your trade assets are off the table. Treliving will crack and it's just a matter of when.

Not really surprised by this BT is in on everyone and 90% of the time he is the one left behind without a dance partner when everything shakes out.

[Badgers Nose]

Just make a trade already! We have so little wiggle room roster wise, and I want to see even more ice time for the kids.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Not really surprised by this BT is in on everyone and 90% of the time he is the one left behind without a dance partner when everything shakes out.

Is there anything more detestable than a constant tire kicker?

Why would anyone take BT seriously?

"No Brad, no amount of wrangling is going to get you that new Mercedes you want off the lot for $20,000."

Were we secretly the laughing stock of the NHL when he was here? Was he just constantly low balling other GMs like some Kijiji lurker weirdo?

[dustygoon]

Wasn't there a game a while ago where LA was scouting our game and brought Bill Ranford and a goalie coach/scout? They interested in Markstrom too? Friedman has hinted multiple times that they are not going into the playoffs with their current set-up.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Wasn't there a game a while ago where LA was scouting our game and brought Bill Ranford and a goalie coach/scout? They interested in Markstrom too? Friedman has hinted multiple times that they are not going into the playoffs with their current set-up.

They watched Vladar and Markstrom. No clue how the cap works for them though

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They watched Vladar and Markstrom. No clue how the cap works for them though

I can't remember the game. I recall it didn't make sense that they were scouting the other team's goalies. So it had to be ours.

LA has high aspirations. I can't see it being Vladar. But ya...how does the money work.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The one thing I will give Tre is that he never traded top prospects. If the Leafs had some seconds then I could see where his starting point would be. Must be trying to get Tanev for a very deferred second and a mediocre prospect. No thanks,

He traded a 22 year old former 1st round pick. He did not trade many top prospects largely because he had already traded the picks that would become top prospects.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He traded a 22 year old former 1st round pick. He did not trade many top prospects largely because he had already traded the picks that would become top prospects.

Yeah, but he didn’t ever trade Zary or Pelletier etc. Bennett wasn’t really a prospect at that point. I’m not saying he is a good GM but Minten/Cowan would be out of his norm to trade. I’m actually surprised he won’t trade a 1st for Tanev lol

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Is there anything more detestable than a constant tire kicker?

Why would anyone take BT seriously?

"No Brad, no amount of wrangling is going to get you that new Mercedes you want off the lot for $20,000."

Were we secretly the laughing stock of the NHL when he was here? Was he just constantly low balling other GMs like some Kijiji lurker weirdo?

Not sure the laughing stock of the league lands a new job in 6 weeks.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TOfan

But the Flames have shown that they will pay players not to pay for them. They’re also paying a coach $4M to farm at the moment.

Buyouts and terminations are quite different from using cap space to make deals work. This is uncharted territory for the club.

Burke and Feaster publicly spoke about weaponizing cap space about 10-12 years ago.

And in those 10-12 years has the team made a deal where they weaponized cap space? Nope. That's the point. They've talked about it, but never pulled the trigger. Until they do it the rest is all noise about what they are prepared to do.

I think the sticking point with Toronto was they likely wanted retention on both Tanev and Zadorov. The Flames probably see more value if they use their 3 retention spots on Lindholm Hanifin and Tanev. Once they found a taker who would take Zadorov at full freight, Toronto would have had to pay a price they evidently weren’t prepared to pay.

And? It means a deal wasn't there to be made and the Flames are still not willing to make a deal where they retain salary. It is obvious their asking price is not aligned with what other clubs think is the market or fair so that cap space is useless. Unless you can agree to a deal then cap space is useless.

I think the Flames are certainly open to retaining on guys whose contracts are done at the end of the year but Markstrom, Kadri and some of the other names with term that pop up here might be tougher sell.

Sure, they may be open to retention. I'm more than open to selling my car, so long as someone comes in with an all cash offer a million over market. When the conditions you place on a deal are not considered reasonable are you really open to making a deal? The Flames may have agreed to retain on the deal but their demand for doing so appears to have been an ask that got the phone hung up on them. It would have been nice to know what the demand was because that would tell us how enthusiastic the Flames are on retention. If the ask was the Leafs' 1st rounder, then that may be reasonable. If the ask was the pick and the Leaf's best two prospects as compensation for retention, then you would be able to understand how enthusiastic the club is about retention. That's why I take the position that retention is unlikely until we see the Flames make a deal where retention happens and prove they are really willing to use that function to their advantage.

[GioforPM]

Treliving did kick plenty of tires, but I don’t know how anyone could say he didn’t follow through on a lot of them or made fewer trades than most GMs.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

And? It means a deal wasn't there to be made and the Flames are still not willing to make a deal where they retain salary. It is obvious their asking price is not aligned with what other clubs think is the market or fair so that cap space is useless. Unless you can agree to a deal then cap space is useless.

Lol or Treliving was bidding low. You have no idea if the Flames were asking too much or Treliving was low balling. We will know as the the other UFAs get traded.

Tanev and Zadorov at 50% better have returned a 1st + one of Cowan/Minten. Tanev might get a 1st himself

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not sure the laughing stock of the league lands a new job in 6 weeks.

Peter Chiarelli was unemployed for a whole nine days. Does that make him a great GM or just a guy that managed to pull the wool over the eyes of another club before they figured out he was a complete bonehead?

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Peter Chiarelli was unemployed for a whole nine days. Does that make him a great GM or just a guy that managed to pull the wool over the eyes of another club before they figured out he was a complete bonehead?

Peter Chiarelli was not rehired by an organization 9 days after he was fired by Edmonton. And being offered an extension, turning it down and then accepting a GM offer with the most valuable team in the NHL is not the same as whatever comparison you're trying to make with Chiarelli.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Groot

Peter Chiarelli was not rehired by an organization 9 days after he was fired by Edmonton. And being offered an extension, turning it down and then accepting a GM offer with the most valuable team in the NHL is not the same as whatever comparison you're trying to make with Chiarelli.

Peter Chiarelli was hired by the Oilers nine days after getting #### canned by the Bruins. Chiarelli was suspected to be a bonehead while he ran the Bruins and really proved it with the Oilers. We'll see how "The Wizard" does with "the most valuable team in the NHL" and how big a bonehead he turns out to be. What he left behind in Calgary is an embarrassment.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have no idea what they think they can work with but I am hearing Cowan, Minten, Knies, and the Leafs first round pick this year are all non starters in any trade negotiations.

Neimala on the table then?

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Peter Chiarelli was hired by the Oilers nine days after getting #### canned by the Bruins. Chiarelli was suspected to be a bonehead while he ran the Bruins and really proved it with the Oilers. We'll see how "The Wizard" does with "the most valuable team in the NHL" and how big a bonehead he turns out to be. What he left behind in Calgary is an embarrassment.

I am not sure you should be using Edmonton hiring Chiarelli as a good example.

Edmonton has consistently made bone headed hirings of GMs and coaches for going on 2 straight decades.

[1qqaaz]

I will say, the Reaves and Klingberg signings were immediately laughable.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Treliving did kick plenty of tires, but I don’t know how anyone could say he didn’t follow through on a lot of them or made fewer trades than most GMs.

Mark Stone, Tylor Hall, Ben Bishop, and Jack Eichel are the first four names that come to mind for me. I don’t have time to go through some of the major trades that have taken place during his tenure but I can confidently say we were in on everyone and more often then not let down at the end.