[PGT] Flames lose to Vegas 5-4 in OT

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

In 6 years when the Flames are finally good again, maybe Huderdeau will be a feel good story.

If Huberdeau is producing at a 0.5 points per game clip at 30, he will probably be on LTIR at 36.

TBH that will be a feel good story.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

After a slow start Yegor Sharangovich has 8 goals and 14 points in his last 19 games, and has been the third most productive player on the team in that time, just behind Blake Coleman and Name Kadri. Many people were quite upset at this "fourth line player" that Conroy acquired by moving the team's leading scorer, Tyler Toffoli.

In the same period of time, and after a blistering hot start, Toffoli has scored 6 goals and 12 points. All of Sharangovich's 16 points have been even-strength, ahead of the pace compared to Toffoli's 13.

This trade is turning out to be great.

With his increased production of late, the broadcast is showing more and more of him and his demeanor when there's no play is dead. He shows up as a very calm player showing little to no emotion. Ice in his veins?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Lots of people had already made up their minds after 10 games last year.

That's because it's like you paid $200,000 for a Ferrari and it ended up being a Fiero.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

Mark stone is such a f***ing loser. I'm surprised he didn't go on LTIR for a stick touching his knee and his resulting dive earlier in the game. He has the most punchable facial
expressions in the NHL. Every goal he gets results in a stanley-cup-winning facial expression. I bet when he gets a man-cold he makes agonized facial expressions to his wife.

Now that Vegas has built a a lead in the Pacific we can start the countdown of when he decides to have a rest and go on LTIR until seasons end so the team can load up at the trade deadline with his cap. You know it's coming.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

After a slow start Yegor Sharangovich has 8 goals and 14 points in his last 19 games, and has been the third most productive player on the team in that time, just behind Blake Coleman and Name Kadri. Many people were quite upset at this "fourth line player" that Conroy acquired by moving the team's leading scorer, Tyler Toffoli.

In the same period of time, and after a blistering hot start, Toffoli has scored 6 goals and 12 points. All of Sharangovich's 16 points have been even-strength, ahead of the pace compared to Toffoli's 13.

This trade is turning out to be great.

That's pretty good. And he hasn't been used a ton either (less sheltered lately but certainly was before). I thought we might have plucked a tweener who couldn't crack the devil's line up in playoffs for good reason but this guy was a hidden gem with a deadly shot who can play both sides of the puck.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Suniev winning Hockey East rookie of the week doesn't hurt too!

Flames are going to get two good, younger players for one and it's going to make all that belly aching after the trade look silly.

They need to make more moves like it.

Young guys with upside who need a change of scenery and picks. Get them all!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

After a slow start Yegor Sharangovich has 8 goals and 14 points in his last 19 games, and has been the third most productive player on the team in that time, just behind Blake Coleman and Name Kadri. Many people were quite upset at this "fourth line player" that Conroy acquired by moving the team's leading scorer, Tyler Toffoli.

In the same period of time, and after a blistering hot start, Toffoli has scored 6 goals and 12 points. All of Sharangovich's 16 points have been even-strength, ahead of the pace compared to Toffoli's 13.

This trade is turning out to be great.

I'm liking his toolbox. He was bumped around the lineup for a while which affected his production. Right now he's arguably the best player on his line. If the Flames had a better overall power play Yegor would have a few more points, too.

I always knew Toffoli would get points playing top 6 and power play on that Devils team, either with Hughes or Hischier.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Huberdeau is going through it bad right now but I still believe he can figure it out later. Don't think he will ever be worth 10.5m, but a 60-70 point forward is what my low expectations have come to. I still hope he goes the Skinner trajectory. Skinner was a hated man in Buffalo for a couple of years until he figured it out again.

Skinner was banished to the 4th line and getting a raw deal from the coach - new staff and more ice time turned him back around. Huberdeau is still getting cushy PP1 time, lots of offensive starts and still nothing to show for it.

If you're waiting on a renaissance, it ain't happening. I would be optimistic if the guy was at least dynamic on the PP, but he has more turnovers there than chances or wow plays.

When is the last time anyone even recalls a woah moment (in a good way) watching Huberdeau at least attempting a high skill play?

At this point it's best to just forget about him and hope he doesn't hurt the team too much on the ice. If Yegor, Coronato, Zary, Honek and Pelletier all surpass him on the depth charts over the next 2-3 years, the Flames won't need him anyway.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by traptor

It's easy to swallow right now but having him and his contract in years 4-8 is going to be tough.

I wont describe every scenario but theres alot of ways having him and his cap could seriously #### us after our re-whatever.

You're worrying about something that isn't our reality. That's just a hypothetical situation that may or may not come to pass. That's pure, empty anxiety.

This season - the now - is all about Zary and Wolf, Solo and Popsicle, and it's about a bunch of yet to be named future Flames.

Huska is establishing a 'work your ass off' culture, and I think that's evident on most nights - and I think Huberdeau is working his ass off most nights just like the rest of the team. He generated a number of quality chances last night (well, 2-3 that I can recall), and they were foiled by less-than-competent teammates.

Huberdeau sucks right now. The Flames suck right now. It's a good thing. Sucking right now does not guarantee future suckitude.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That's because it's like you paid $200,000 for a Ferrari and it ended up being a Fiero.

Conroy: "I bought a Ferrari, but I've driven it like 10 times and this thing is a Fiero. It takes forever to get to 60 and only dreams of someday getting all the way up to 100."

Agent: "Oh well, I mean, yeah... but... you just need the right driving conditions..."

C: "But that's not what I paid for..."

A: "...and you need to surround it with other cars that will make it look faster..."

C: "But I'm paying $10.5M a year..."

A: "...and also you can't race it against other $10.5M cars, cause that would just be totally unfair."

C: "...for 8 years..."

A: "I don't even know what the problem is. Look just put it out there on the track with some $3M or $4M cars, and you'll see. Then you'll be like, "man this $10M car is just too good to be racing with $3M cars!"

C: "But it's a $10M car! It's not supposed to be out there with $3M cars! It's supposed to be able to race and be competitive against other $10M cars!"

A: "Oh, I see... you're one of those racers... Right, ok. Well, if you wanna put your $10M car out there against other $10M cars, then that's on you, man. I mean... just like... maybe get a couple other $10M cars it can race with?"

C: "So, lemme get this straight. In order for my $10M car to race like it's a $10M car, I have to get two more $10M cars to race with it?"

A: "No... that's not what I said."

C: "That's exactly what you said."

A: "Well, yeah, but you didn't let me finish. I was also going to say that you'd need to chain those other two $10M cars to your $10M car so they all stay together, otherwise they'll just make it look... well... I mean... have you tried racing it against $3M cars yet?"

C: "I think I want my money back."

A: "Oh. Well, about that. It turns out that $7.5M of that $10M every year is structured as a signing bonus, which is non-refundable, so the most you'll get back is like $3M a year."

C: "Unbelievable. Well that's better than a kick in the nuts... lets do it."

A: "Ok, but because it's still technically a $10.5M per year contract, it'll cost you $2.25M per year just to even be allowed to do the refund."

C: "Son of a..."

A: "So here's your $750K."

C: "... #####."

A: "Should I just e-transfer the $750K at the start of every racing season, or would you like a post-dated cheque for each of the next seven seasons?"

[Locke]

[QUOTE=The Cobra;8920714]

Originally Posted by iamca

Need to figure out a way to terminate Huberdeau’s contract for any reason. /QUOTE]

Lot's of luck doing that legally.

Get Conroy to pay a visit to Corey Perry and really get a blueprint of what he did.

And then lots and lots of 'Team Dinners' with lots and lots of booze...it might take a while, but it can be done!

[bdubbs]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Conroy: "I bought a Ferrari, but I've driven it like 10 times and this thing is a Fiero. It takes forever to get to 60 and only dreams of someday getting all the way up to 100."

Agent: "Oh well, I mean, yeah... but... you just need the right driving conditions..."

C: "But that's not what I paid for..."

A: "...and you need to surround it with other cars that will make it look faster..."

C: "But I'm paying $10.5M a year..."

A: "...and also you can't race it against other $10.5M cars, cause that would just be totally unfair."

C: "...for 8 years..."

A: "I don't even know what the problem is. Look just put it out there on the track with some $3M or $4M cars, and you'll see. Then you'll be like, "man this $10M car is just too good to be racing with $3M cars!"

C: "But it's a $10M car! It's not supposed to be out there with $3M cars! It's supposed to be able to race and be competitive against other $10M cars!"

A: "Oh, I see... you're one of those racers... Right, ok. Well, if you wanna put your $10M car out there against other $10M cars, then that's on you, man. I mean... just like... maybe get a couple other $10M cars it can race with?"

C: "So, lemme get this straight. In order for my $10M car to race like it's a $10M car, I have to get two more $10M cars to race with it?"

A: "No... that's not what I said."

C: "That's exactly what you said."

A: "Well, yeah, but you didn't let me finish. I was also going to say that you'd need to chain those other two $10M cars to your $10M car so they all stay together, otherwise they'll just make it look... well... I mean... have you tried racing it against $3M cars yet?"

C: "I think I want my money back."

A: "Oh. Well, about that. It turns out that $7.5M of that $10M every year is structured as a signing bonus, which is non-refundable, so the most you'll get back is like $3M a year."

C: "Unbelievable. Well that's better than a kick in the nuts... lets do it."

A: "Ok, but because it's still technically a $10.5M per year contract, it'll cost you $2.25M per year just to even be allowed to do the refund."

C: "Son of a..."

A: "So here's your $750K."

C: "... #####."

A: "Should I just e-transfer the $750K at the start of every racing season, or would you like a post-dated cheque for each of the next seven seasons?"

Huberdeau's struggles are not great, but I didn't think we were to the point of writing fanfiction about it. How far we've fallen.

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Conroy: "I bought a Ferrari, but I've driven it like 10 times and this thing is a Fiero. It takes forever to get to 60 and only dreams of someday getting all the way up to 100."

Agent: "Oh well, I mean, yeah... but... you just need the right driving conditions..."

C: "But that's not what I paid for..."

A: "...and you need to surround it with other cars that will make it look faster..."

C: "But I'm paying $10.5M a year..."

A: "...and also you can't race it against other $10.5M cars, cause that would just be totally unfair."

C: "...for 8 years..."

A: "I don't even know what the problem is. Look just put it out there on the track with some $3M or $4M cars, and you'll see. Then you'll be like, "man this $10M car is just too good to be racing with $3M cars!"

C: "But it's a $10M car! It's not supposed to be out there with $3M cars! It's supposed to be able to race and be competitive against other $10M cars!"

A: "Oh, I see... you're one of those racers... Right, ok. Well, if you wanna put your $10M car out there against other $10M cars, then that's on you, man. I mean... just like... maybe get a couple other $10M cars it can race with?"

C: "So, lemme get this straight. In order for my $10M car to race like it's a $10M car, I have to get two more $10M cars to race with it?"

A: "No... that's not what I said."

C: "That's exactly what you said."

A: "Well, yeah, but you didn't let me finish. I was also going to say that you'd need to chain those other two $10M cars to your $10M car so they all stay together, otherwise they'll just make it look... well... I mean... have you tried racing it against $3M cars yet?"

C: "I think I want my money back."

A: "Oh. Well, about that. It turns out that $7.5M of that $10M every year is structured as a signing bonus, which is non-refundable, so the most you'll get back is like $3M a year."

C: "Unbelievable. Well that's better than a kick in the nuts... lets do it."

A: "Ok, but because it's still technically a $10.5M per year contract, it'll cost you $2.25M per year just to even be allowed to do the refund."

C: "Son of a..."

A: "So here's your $750K."

C: "... #####."

A: "Should I just e-transfer the $750K at the start of every racing season, or would you like a post-dated cheque for each of the next seven seasons?"

Such a good analogy for the Huberdeau apologists. But, I guess this is why we should have taken the $10.5 million car for a test drive before a historic 8 year deal.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

Such a good analogy for the Huberdeau apologists. But, I guess this is why we should have taken the $10.5 million car for a test drive before a historic 8 year deal.

Or sold it to someone else while everyone still thought it was a $10.5M car.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

Such a good analogy for the Huberdeau apologists. But, I guess this is why we should have taken the $10.5 million car for a test drive before a historic 8 year deal.

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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

[I]Conroy: "I bought a Ferrari, but I've driven it like 10 times and this thing is a Fiero. It takes forever to get to 60 and only dreams of someday getting all the way up to 100."

Agent: "Oh well, I mean, yeah... but... you just need the right driving conditions..."

C: "But that's not what I paid for..."

A: "...and you need to surround it with other cars that will make it look faster..."

C: "But I'm paying $10.5M a year..."

This isn't a bad analogy but it overlooks that the car they bought was a Ferrari, but the Ferrari is a bit of an old Ferrari that had lots of kilometers on it.

The Ferrari was also only being used only in perfect racing conditions to benefit it's performance on straight tracks, but it is now being asked to be more of an all purpose car used for all types of racing including more off-road racing.

So really they bought a 1993 Ferrari Mondial when really they wanted a Rolls-Royce Cullinan

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Skinner was banished to the 4th line and getting a raw deal from the coach - new staff and more ice time turned him back around. Huberdeau is still getting cushy PP1 time, lots of offensive starts and still nothing to show for it.

If you're waiting on a renaissance, it ain't happening. I would be optimistic if the guy was at least dynamic on the PP, but he has more turnovers there than chances or wow plays.

When is the last time anyone even recalls a woah moment (in a good way) watching Huberdeau at least attempting a high skill play?

At this point it's best to just forget about him and hope he doesn't hurt the team too much on the ice. If Yegor, Coronato, Zary, Honek and Pelletier all surpass him on the depth charts over the next 2-3 years, the Flames won't need him anyway.

Last game. That cross body hard pass out from below the goal lane across the royal road to someone coming from the left side. Lots of people remarked on it in the GT.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Last game. That cross body hard pass out from below the goal lane across the royal road to someone coming from the left side. Lots of people remarked on it in the GT.

He had a couple great passes in that Dallas game that didn't get converted either. He really should have had 4 or 5 points that game and ended up with 2.

Easily his best game as a Flame and honestly a bit sad he didn't build on that game.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Last game. That cross body hard pass out from below the goal lane across the royal road to someone coming from the left side. Lots of people remarked on it in the GT.

Hush, you. Huberdeau never does anything right. It is known, Khaleesi.

[The Cobra]

[QUOTE=Locke;8921031]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Get Conroy to pay a visit to Corey Perry and really get a blueprint of what he did.

And then lots and lots of 'Team Dinners' with lots and lots of booze...it might take a while, but it can be done!

More likely you see Zary, Wolf, Shaggy off the team with our luck.