2023/24 Blue Jays Off Season Thread

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Inferno

https://twitter.com/user/status/1734235411399004272

Kevin Gausman rules.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I can't stand Americans and their line of thinking that the best players should play in America and it would be an injustice to baseball if they played for the Jays. It's the only reason I wanted the Jays to somehow get Shohei.

MLB must have done cartwheels of joy when they locked out the 1994 season. It would have gutted them to see Canadian teams win 3 World Series in a row.

[transplant99]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1734344623143743533

[SuperMatt18]

That's an interesting approach...

Pay me $70M per year...but I still want to try to win...so I'll let you pay me it all after I retire, so that way you can pay it to me when you should no longer be trying to win.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Will MLB even exist when all of his deferrals are paid out? Cause yeah that contract is objectively terrible for the sport and will only drive prospective fans further away. NFL is king because of competitive balance, baseball just had it's lowest ratings ever and contracts like this make competitive balance even less likely.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Will MLB even exist when all of his deferrals are paid out? Cause yeah that contract is objectively terrible for the sport and will only drive prospective fans further away. NFL is king because of competitive balance, baseball just had it's lowest ratings ever and contracts like this make competitive balance even less likely.

Is it really bad for the sport? It's basically just pretending a 460 million dollar contract is a 700 million contract for what reason? bragging rights? The Dodgers can't be cash poor now for their 300 million/year TV deal that likely won't be around by the time they pay this. If the team just put 46 million/year away for 10 years, it would cost them the same.

[GirlySports]

how is that even allowed?

[Strange Brew]

If The Blue Jays were offering $600 milion with a more traditional payout. that would have been a far more valuable contract.

That article said the deferred money is to be paid out without interest, so the amount the Dodgers would need to set aside over the next 10 years to satisfy this liability is less than what other big stars will be making.

For example Judge makes $40 million, If you assume none of that is deferred, that $40 million would be worth $71 million in 10 years assuming a 6% discount rate.

It's incomprehensible to me he would defer 95% of his contract.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If The Blue Jays were offering $600 milion with a more traditional payout. that would have been a far more valuable contract.

That article said the deferred money is to be paid out without interest, so the amount the Dodgers would need to set aside over the next 10 years to satisfy this liability is less than what other big stars will be making.

For example Judge makes $40 million, If you assume none of that is deferred, that $40 million would be worth $71 million in 10 years assuming a 6% discount rate.

It's incomprehensible to me he would defer 95% of his contract.

But he wouldn't get close to 700 million up front, that's not on the table.

[SuperMatt18]

It does seem crazy that much is deferred.

Like even half would have been nuts. But to defer $68M out of $70M just seems crazy to me.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Is it really bad for the sport? It's basically just pretending a 460 million dollar contract is a 700 million contract for what reason? bragging rights? The Dodgers can't be cash poor now for their 300 million/year TV deal that likely won't be around by the time they pay this. If the team just put 46 million/year away for 10 years, it would cost them the same.

And in 10 years they'll be deferring all those contracts for 10 more years, and then 10 years after that, etc...Hard cap of course ends off of this, but nah. It's objectively terrible for the sport, but looking forward to all the sycophant writers telling us this is brilliant.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If The Blue Jays were offering $600 milion with a more traditional payout. that would have been a far more valuable contract.

That article said the deferred money is to be paid out without interest, so the amount the Dodgers would need to set aside over the next 10 years to satisfy this liability is less than what other big stars will be making.

For example Judge makes $40 million, If you assume none of that is deferred, that $40 million would be worth $71 million in 10 years assuming a 6% discount rate.

It's incomprehensible to me he would defer 95% of his contract.

It's almost like he is trying to justify taking less to go to the Dodgers by making it sound like he went for more. It's very odd. He also must have a lot of confidence that the MLB and Dodgers will still be solvent in 15-20 years, or risks other geopolitical factors when looking that far out.

I doubt it, but I wonder if there is a way to avoid paying state taxes if he moves out of California at the end.

[Scornfire]

What a broken ass league, sorry, but that's the absolute dumbest thing I've ever heard of in "competitive" sports

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

And in 10 years they'll be deferring all those contracts for 10 more years, and then 10 years after that, etc...Hard cap of course ends off of this, but nah. It's objectively terrible for the sport, but looking forward to all the sycophant writers telling us this is brilliant.

It just doesn't seem like Dodgers are cash poor, so no real reason to do this. It's effectively the same as a 46m contract. The Blue Jays would have been much better off making this offer than 600 million paid 60m/year.

Looking into it more, it does seem like there is a possibility deferred salary gets paid where you are living, and not where you earned it, so it is entirely possible that he is doing this avoid California state taxes, which is all other can of worms.

[Roof-Daddy]

Should easily be able to snap up and afford Yamamoto now with all that money deferred for Ohtani.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

But he wouldn't get close to 700 million up front, that's not on the table.

If Blue Jays offer was 60m/year paid annually, that is a much more valuable contract, as it is effectively worth 13m/year to Ohtani, and costs the Blue Jays 13m/year more than the Dodgers are paying.

It's a 47m/year contract with a goofy payout structure that only makes sense if Ohtani is willing to take a big discount to play for the Dodgers, or it is a tax evading structure.

[nfotiu]

Oh good, Finau is staying.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0uzjGMv...en&img_index=1

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Oh good, Finau is staying.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0uzjGMv...en&img_index=1

This helps the Jays how?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Oh good, Finau is staying.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0uzjGMv...en&img_index=1

Can he play 3rd?

[transplant99]

Ohtani is making 45M a year in endorsements alone.

This just keeps him in that stratoshphere for years after he is done playing.