[Rumour] Friedman on the deal that fell through between Toronto and Calgary

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Jordan Oesterle for a 6th

Book it

It would be right up Treliving's alley in the 11th hour before the TDL.

[CSharp]

Just glad Conroy learned from history that he didn't want to get bent over and slapped sideways. You don't want to be associated with what those 2 other GM's did when they got raped big time and both from a Make Beliefs organization! I can just see Conroy's big smile with Tre, "No thanks"!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Zadorov was just at the right place at the wrong time. Of course he wants a long term deal. He is at his peak now, and while you can argue that he is only a #5 in terms of ice time, he offers a lot for that. He has made a name for himself the past 2.5 seasons and he has to capitalize on that the best he can. But it also makes sense why the Flames didn't want to lock in on a long term deal given the crossroads the team is at. I wish he didn't go public, but I get why he wanted to try his luck elsewhere.

Zadorov's main issue is that he didn't play well enough when he was younger to get that long term contract. He definitely brings a lot for a #5, but he likely also has relatively short shelf life. Whoever offers him that 4+ year contract is likely making a mistake. They'll get a couple good playoff pushes out of him, with some big hits, but then quickly grow to regret the contract.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Treliving was trying to create the most Maple Flames defense you'd ever seen.

Not sure that's the best course of action for a team that's trying to compete. Conroy was kind of saving Brad from himself a little there.

LOL, he probably saved himself from getting roasted by Flames fans once we find out what hot garbage that was offered!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by CSharp

LOL, he probably saved himself from getting roasted by Flames fans once we find out what hot garbage that was offered!

Probably this as well. They saved each other from each other.

No doubt Treliving was skimping on the return.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Treliving was trying to create the most Maple Flames defense you'd ever seen.

Not sure that's the best course of action for a team that's trying to compete. Conroy was kind of saving Brad from himself a little there.

The Flames under Treliving rarely had a bad defense.

The flames now don’t have a “bad” defense.

They are the sort of competent that, paired with Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander, along with some goaltending, could do a lot of damage.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The Flames under Treliving rarely had a bad defense.

The flames now don’t have a “bad” defense.

They are the sort of competent that, paired with Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander, along with some goaltending, could do a lot of damage.

But when it comes to this hypothetical trade, chances are Tanev would be hurt and Zadorov would be a liability playing too high up the depth chart in the playoffs.

Treliving should set his sights on better options if he's trying to go all in, instead of giong back to the old well where they were "sort of competent"

Not sure he's learned from the past when moves like this were his MO, and that's very encouraging given that he's the GM of the Leafs now.

[GreenLantern2814]

I’ll tell you something else - I like that Conroy is actively looking to deal guys like Tanev and Zadorov now. Tanev especially - god, just get the guy through the Christmas break unhurt and take best package you’re offered.

Hanifin and Lindholm they can hold longer - those two will be huge deadline prize, and they’ve been extremely durable. In the meantime, juice their numbers by stapling them to PP1 and create some hype.

Which is what they’re doing.

Guys, I think the GM might have a clue.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

But when it comes to this hypothetical trade, chances are Tanev would be hurt and Zadorov would be a liability playing too high up the depth chart in the playoffs.

Treliving should set his sights on better options if he's trying to go all in, instead of giong back to the old well where they were "sort of competent"

Not sure he's learned from the past when moves like this were his MO, and that's very encouraging given that he's the GM of the Leafs now.

Oh I very much agree that he’s not learned a thing from his mistakes in Calgary.

He’s right to be trading picks, but it’s Travis Hamonic all over again.

If you’re going to spend a 1st, that’s fine. Spend it on better than Chris Tanev. Spend it on Hanifin.

I don’t get how a guy who won his share of trades by being aggressive and opportunistic and targeting elite or near elite players - Dougie 1 was fair value, and Dougie 2 was a huge win - became so cautious and ever more enamoured with guys who clearly were not that.

He undeservedly gets handed the keys to a McLaren and he’s trying to source his parts through an Auto Value.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Oh I very much agree that he’s not learned a thing from his mistakes in Calgary.

He’s right to be trading picks, but it’s Travis Hamonic all over again.

If you’re going to spend a 1st, that’s fine. Spend it on better than Chris Tanev. Spend it on Hanifin.

I don’t get how a guy who won his share of trades by being aggressive and opportunistic and targeting elite or near elite players - Dougie 1 was fair value, and Dougie 2 was a huge win - became so cautious and ever more enamoured with guys who clearly were not that.

He undeservedly gets handed the keys to a McLaren and he’s trying to source his parts through an Auto Value.

Haha, this just about sums up Treliving in TO.

Yeah he became way too cautious later in his tenure and too fixated on tinkering with the edges of the team instead of swinging for the fences like he did earlier on to make tangible improvements in areas of need.

Toronto needs heart surgery on a defense that's dressing post-apex Gio and Brodie, and he's fishing for band-aids at his old office.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Haha, this just about sums up Treliving in TO.

Yeah he became way too cautious later in his tenure and too fixated on tinkering with the edges of the team instead of swinging for the fences like he did earlier on to make tangible improvements in areas of need.

Toronto needs heart surgery on a defense that's dressing post-apex Gio and Brodie, and he's fishing for band-aids at his old office.

Here’s another thing that irks me.

A 1st and two seconds usually gets you a high quality player on the off-season. Whether it’s an ELC RFA, or a guy in his mid 20s. That guy almost always signs the extension put in front of him.

If you’re in the right spot in a window, why wouldn’t you do that every year or every other year?

It’s better value than UFA, it’s better use of cap space, on a younger player with either more potential or more good years in front of him for the contract life, and it gets you someone who’s able to step in right away and make an impact.

It’s like the Hamonic trade spooked him.

[CSharp]

No point in talking what-if if Nylander wasn't part of the package, especially when Tre wants Conny to retain money. How much did Tre give up just so that the Habs will take Monahan? LOL

[Locke]

Treliving can eat it.

[The Yen Man]

Treliving's garnering a reputation as always the bridesmaid, never the bride lol.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Annoying that we didn't get any names of Leafs players/prospects that may have been involved, yet Tanev gets thrown into the mix.

Pretty much tells you exactly where the leak came from.

AFAIK whenever there were Flames rumours of trades that didn’t happen, it was more often we’d hear about who we didn’t get than who we were going to give up.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by CSharp

How much did Tre give up just so that the Habs will take Monahan? LOL

No kidding.

If cap is that valuable to him and yet he wasn't will to pay the same level of assets for another team to swallow money like he so willing did here then Tre can pound sand.

[saillias]

If Murray Edwards is this super petty vindictive guy about Treliving and trading with Toronto I wouldn't mind that at all. Even without the Treliving angle. It's not like they have something especially desirable to offer that other teams don't, in fact they don't have many interesting assets at all. There are probably 12ish teams that consider themselves contenders

[Shazam]

Tre has learned his lesson, he will be much better in Toronto than here.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Tre has learned his lesson, he will be much better in Toronto than here.

Signing Klingberg and Reaves to those awful contracts say otherwise.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Tre has learned his lesson, he will be much better in Toronto than here.