2023/24 Blue Jays Off Season Thread

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

The Yankees know they only get to play 3 outfielders at a time right?

Why do they need Verduga, Soto, and Grisham?

They already have Stanton and Judge making a combined $72 MM next year. Even if you assume one DHs that's a lot of OF.

I think Grisham is a salary dump

He is going to get 5 million in arbitration to be a defensive specialist

SD is cutting costs . Yankees can afford a 4th OF and defensive specialist at 5 million

Espn has it as a win for the Padres

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/sto...de-blockbuster

[Parallex]

I wager they (the Yankees) put in a major pitch for Yamamoto now... with all the pitching they just handed over for Soto getting a 25 year old #2 or #1 makes a whole heap of sense for them.

[bluejays]

Would be a kick in the nuts to the Mets owner who apparently went to Japan personally to woo him.

What’s kind of funny is I don’t think we’ve seen two Japanese teammates on the same team before. Correct me if I’m wrong?

[Strange Brew]

So I guess Jusge will play a lot of CF. I don’t know if that’s ideal for them but Yankees/Dodgers operate in a different world.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Would be a kick in the nuts to the Mets owner who apparently went to Japan personally to woo him.

What’s kind of funny is I don’t think we’ve seen two Japanese teammates on the same team before. Correct me if I’m wrong?

https://www.japaneseballplayers.com/...softbank-hawks

Looks like Boston with Matsuzaka and Okajima? (Not sure they were teammates in Japan though? Played on the same team)

Cool website either way!

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So I guess Jusge will play a lot of CF. I don’t know if that’s ideal for them but Yankees/Dodgers operate in a different world.

It's not. Judge surprisingly grades out as fairly competent in CF... but he's a whole lot of human being to have running around covering that much ground in the OF, it'll wear on him.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Parallex

It's not. Judge surprisingly grades out as fairly competent in CF... but he's a whole lot of human being to have running around covering that much ground in the OF, it'll wear on him.

Yep, hopefully they wear him down into a little nub.

[Roof-Daddy]

Welp, Candelario to the Reds. 3 x $45 million($15 million AAV)

A pretty solid free agent 3B option of the board, one of the very few options.

Reds have a ton of infielders now. Maybe a trade partner/?

[Roof-Daddy]

Rumors floating around that Yamamoto has asked for a meeting with the Jays. Speculating he wants to go where Ohtani goes.

If the Jays signed those two I would be floating around in space all winter.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Welp, Candelario to the Reds. 3 x $45 million($15 million AAV)

A pretty solid free agent 3B option of the board, one of the very few options.

Reds have a ton of infielders now. Maybe a trade partner/?

I would not have wanted Candelario. he's very average. He's above replacement level but not by much, and at age 30 he isn't getting better. for that price tag, I'd rather try to get creative than commit to him.

3B will be tough to fill this season though for sure. Might be a bit of a patchwork

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Rumors floating around that Yamamoto has asked for a meeting with the Jays. Speculating he wants to go where Ohtani goes.

If the Jays signed those two I would be floating around in space all winter.

That would be nuts. I mean the presumptive 2025 pitching staff would be Ohtani, Yamamoto, Barrios, Bassett, Tiedeman... and that's assuming that the Jays wouldn't extend Kikushi (and if he were to help them land Ohtani who helped them land Yamamoto they might give him an extension out of nothing more then gratitude).

But that's putting the cart way before the horse and I have difficulty believing that the Jays/Rogers will look at the luxury tax implications and just go "#### it".

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

I would not have wanted Candelario. he's very average. He's above replacement level but not by much, and at age 30 he isn't getting better. for that price tag, I'd rather try to get creative than commit to him.

3B will be tough to fill this season though for sure. Might be a bit of a patchwork

Yep, I have no doubt they will have adequate players in LF and 2B. Not stars, but not players who will drag the team down.

3B is a worry though. Bad D can really drag your pitching down, and losing KK and Chappy will certainly hurt the overall D

[Jason14h]

Jays are way under the tax threshold - they could afford both for next year -

It’s the Vlad and Bo Issue the year after and extending them that would drive them into the tax

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Jays are way under the tax threshold - they could afford both for next year -

It’s the Vlad and Bo Issue the year after and extending them that would drive them into the tax

I think if the Jays land these big FA's) the plan will be to trade Bo and Vlad next off season, especially if they have good seasons. The return would be solid for sure.

I'm sure they would love to extend Bo, but apparently he wants to get to free agency.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yep, I have no doubt they will have adequate players in LF and 2B. Not stars, but not players who will drag the team down.

3B is a worry though. Bad D can really drag your pitching down, and losing KK and Chappy will certainly hurt the overall D

If they can land Ohtani, I’d be fine with them cheaping out a bit and trying Biggio at 3B. He looked good there in Chapman’s absence. I know he wasn’t great at 3B before Chapman but he’s also older now and also learned a lot from Chapman since (be it just watching him or talking to him).

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I think if the Jays land these big FA's) the plan will be to trade Bo and Vlad next off season, especially if they have good seasons. The return would be solid for sure.

I'm sure they would love to extend Bo, but apparently he wants to get to free agency.

Agreed but if we trade both for cheaper , cost controlled players our offence is very very bad

It feels weird having a 5th starter making 20 million and no offense

Maybe they trade Berrios or Bassit (or both)

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yep, I have no doubt they will have adequate players in LF and 2B. Not stars, but not players who will drag the team down.

3B is a worry though. Bad D can really drag your pitching down, and losing KK and Chappy will certainly hurt the overall D

I still really hope we re-sign KK. With the Yankees now having far less need for OF's, thats one suitor hopefully off the board.

He's probably looking to cash in on his good year last year with a contract with term. Maybe he circles back to the Jays if he doesn't get what he's hoping for, he seemed to really like playing in Toronto.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Jays are way under the tax threshold - they could afford both for next year -

It’s the Vlad and Bo Issue the year after and extending them that would drive them into the tax

The Jays were a tax paying team last year.

If they were to add the 80-90ish million that those two will cost not only will they be above the threshold they will be significantly above the 2nd threshold on 2nd time payee (which is a 75%-90% tax on the overage depending on the total amount). I mean they could maybe do some creative accounting to keep it below the 3rd threshold... but the point is that it'll be some hefty extra scratch.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by 868904

If they can land Ohtani, I’d be fine with them cheaping out a bit and trying Biggio at 3B.

I'd rather they give Martinez a shot at the bigs and keep Biggio in his Super-Utility role (and have him at 3rd base as a back-up if Martinez can't cut it in MLB). I don't really like Biggio's arm at 3B.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

I would not have wanted Candelario. he's very average. He's above replacement level but not by much, and at age 30 he isn't getting better. for that price tag, I'd rather try to get creative than commit to him.

3B will be tough to fill this season though for sure. Might be a bit of a patchwork

I completely agree. Candelario benefited by the timing of his free agency. I’d rather spend the money is other ways. Keeping Martinez behind Candelario for three years just doesn’t make a lot of sense for the Jays.

We can likely piecemeal third base this year between Biggio, Schneider, Barger, and Martinez plus any cheap free agent/waiver wire guy that they might pick up.