2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Dear god, Nashville is not giving up an asset to move Barrie and it's not because Conroy wasn't mean enough on the phone. It's because it makes no sense and that type of trade doesn't exist.

They're in the exact same situation we are and have, wait for it, 30 million dollars in deadline cap space!

There is a real money consideration

He has a 3.75m salary this season.

Nashville could save 2+ million by trading him today.

What is 2 million worth? 5th pick? 6th? Nothing? I have no idea. But it isnt crazy if they dont want him and no one offers anything to include a low pick to save $

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

There is a real money consideration

He has a 3.75m salary this season.

Nashville could save 2+ million by trading him today.

What is 2 million worth? 5th pick? 6th? Nothing? I have no idea. But it isnt crazy if they dont want him and no one offers anything to include a low pick to save $

I don't think NSH would do it just to save money. Even if NSH had a good use for the potential cap-space, they're a bubble team, and adding a $4.5M player instead of Barrie is unlikely to push them over the top.

They might look into retaining 50% with their last retention slot and get a 4th round pick by selling Barrie as a depth D(like when we got Forbort). They won't be adding assets to Barrie in order to offload him.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Who’s reporting this? iphone4lyfe???? Sounds legit. Internet chatter doesn’t hold much water.

If the oilers had the best deal on the table for Tanev, as an example, you’re suggesting the Flames take a lesser deal?

That’s pretty shortsighted. Again, Conroy’s job is to make the Flames better, not prevent the Oilers, or the Leafs, from getting better.

The link is on the Reddit page. It’s Bruce Garrioch in the Ottawa Sun. And I think most people would agree the likelyhood of the flames trading a big piece to the oilers without it being a massive over-pay is very slim. These two teams have rarely ever combined on trades. And when they do, it’s usually for small pieces or anchor contracts. Fan and media perception of a trade has to be considered. This was discussed on the Barn Burner podcast a few weeks ago… no flames GM would ever want to be remembered as the guy who gave the oilers the defenceme/goaltending they need to turn them into a contender.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I don't think NSH would do it just to save money. Even if NSH had a good use for the potential cap-space, they're a bubble team, and adding a $4.5M player instead of Barrie is unlikely to push them over the top.

They might look into retaining 50% with their last retention slot and get a 4th round pick by selling Barrie as a depth D(like when we got Forbort). They won't be adding assets to Barrie in order to offload him.

Maybe they are taking one of our D-men and part of the deal requires us to take Barrie back?

[Roof-Daddy]

Sell everything that isn't nailed down and pry a few things that are nailed down and sell them too.

Picks, picks, picks and more picks.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Sell everything that isn't nailed down and pry a few things that are nailed down and sell them too.

Picks, picks, picks and more picks.

The rest of the UFA guys, Mangiapane, Dube, and Backlund

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by stemit14

The link is on the Reddit page. It’s Bruce Garrioch in the Ottawa Sun. And I think most people would agree the likelyhood of the flames trading a big piece to the oilers without it being a massive over-pay is very slim. These two teams have rarely ever combined on trades. And when they do, it’s usually for small pieces or anchor contracts. Fan and media perception of a trade has to be considered. This was discussed on the Barn Burner podcast a few weeks ago… no flames GM would ever want to be remembered as the guy who gave the oilers the defenceme/goaltending they need to turn them into a contender.

I agree that saying the likelihood of the Flames and Oilers making a significant deal is almost zero, so the argument is moot.

Back to the original premise though, the flames not dealing with the Leafs because of Treliving is dumb. From what Friedman and other far more reputable reporters have had to say there was an offer between the two teams on Zadorov and Tanev. The reason that deal fell apart was because the Flames and Leafs couldn’t come to terms on salary retention, not because the Leafs didn’t ‘massively overpay’.

Isn’t Bruce Garrioch Ottawa’s local click bait hack a-la Francis/Spector/Simmons?

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I agree that saying the likelihood of the Flames and Oilers making a significant deal is almost zero, so the argument is moot.

Back to the original premise though, the flames not dealing with the Leafs because of Treliving is dumb. From what Friedman and other far more reputable reporters have had to say there was an offer between the two teams on Zadorov and Tanev. The reason that deal fell apart was because the Flames and Leafs couldn’t come to terms on salary retention, not because the Leafs didn’t ‘massively overpay’.

Isn’t Bruce Garrioch Ottawa’s local click bait hack a-la Francis/Spector/Simmons?

I won’t argue the validity of the source (Bruce Garrioch) as I really don’t know if he is a good source. However, I don’t think the Friedman rumour and the Garrioch rumour are mutually exclusive… there could have been the trade attempt by Toronto that Friedman described that fell through because of the salary retention. The flames could have been prepared to do the salary retention and make the trade happen but not without a very large price tag… in part because salary retention is valuable in the NHL and in part because of Garrioch’s rumour about flames management and ownership’s opinion on any trade with the leafs. I’m not saying the flames would not trade with the leafs because of Treliving… I’m saying that for the trade to happen, the leafs would have to pay more because the leafs are desperate, the leafs are the most media-covered team in the league, and (to an extent) because it is Treliving trading with his former team that he left in a tough spot.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I won’t argue the validity of the source (Bruce Garrioch) as I really don’t know if he is a good source. However, I don’t think the Friedman rumour and the Garrioch rumour are mutually exclusive… there could have been the trade attempt by Toronto that Friedman described that fell through because of the salary retention. The flames could have been prepared to do the salary retention and make the trade happen but not without a very large price tag… in part because salary retention is valuable in the NHL and in part because of Garrioch’s rumour about flames management and ownership’s opinion on any trade with the leafs. I’m not saying the flames would not trade with the leafs because of Treliving… I’m saying that for the trade to happen, the leafs would have to pay more because the leafs are desperate, the leafs are the most media-covered team in the league, and (to an extent) because it is Treliving trading with his former team that he left in a tough spot.

Perhaps we are saying the same thing but in different ways. The Flames should deal Tanev, or any player, for the best return. So if that happens to be from the Leafs, great. That is exactly what I’m saying.

When I read things like ‘for the Flames to trade with the Leafs the Leafs would have to massively overpay’ is where I think fan expectations are out of line. So if the Leafs table the best package for Tanev but another team makes an offer that is slightly less, the Flames should take the lesser package because the Leafs didn’t go above and beyond??? That’s bonkers.

On the flip side the Flames shouldn’t be in the business of doing the Leafs, or any team, any favours.

[dino7c]

I would require a massive overpay from the Oilers...Leafs just need the best over

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I would require a massive overpay from the Oilers...Leafs just need the best over

So , for example (and I haven’t thought about this too much) if the Oilers are offering Dylan Halloway and a 2nd round pick for Tanev and the Leafs are offering a late first, you’re taking the Leafs offer?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TOfan

So , for example (and I haven’t thought about this too much) if the Oilers are offering Dylan Halloway and a 2nd round pick for Tanev and the Leafs are offering a late first, you’re taking the Leafs offer?

Late first cause Holloway is bustville

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Late first cause Holloway is bustville

There's a player there, you have the Sandman guarantee!

[Flamesfan05]

Pretty sure the Canes need Vladar

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Pretty sure the Canes need Vladar

They certainly can use some help in nets.

But,Vladar hasn’t been any better than their current ones.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Maybe they are taking one of our D-men and part of the deal requires us to take Barrie back?

Sure, but to what end? IMO NSH tops out as a WC team that's going to be hard pressed to win a round against LAK, VGK, or COL. I don't see them as buyers at the deadline.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I would require a massive overpay from the Oilers...Leafs just need the best over

You mean like the massive overpay the Canucks were forced to pay to get Zadorov?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I agree that saying the likelihood of the Flames and Oilers making a significant deal is almost zero, so the argument is moot.

Back to the original premise though, the flames not dealing with the Leafs because of Treliving is dumb. From what Friedman and other far more reputable reporters have had to say there was an offer between the two teams on Zadorov and Tanev. The reason that deal fell apart was because the Flames and Leafs couldn’t come to terms on salary retention, not because the Leafs didn’t ‘massively overpay’.

Isn’t Bruce Garrioch Ottawa’s local click bait hack a-la Francis/Spector/Simmons?

Well according to Friedman's latest update it was indeed the Flames high ask that the Leafs wouldn't agree to. Yes it's true that Garrioch has always been a bit of a hack.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Well according to Friedman's latest update it was indeed the Flames high ask that the Leafs wouldn't agree to. Yes it's true that Garrioch has always been a bit of a hack.

Sure, that goes without saying. There was a price the Flames set in order for the Flames to retain salary and the Leafs did not meet that. I haven’t seen Friedman or any worth while insider say ‘well, you know, if the Leafs were to acquire a Flames player, they would have to massively overpay’.

At the end of the day the Flames placed higher value on cap space than they did whatever assets the Leafs had on the table and we won’t be able to judge that until we know what the Leafs had on the table, if it’s ever made public, which is probably unlikely anyway.

Does that mean the Leafs would have been forced to ‘massively overpay’ (still not sure what that term is supposed to mean). Secondly, why would the Leafs, or any team ‘massively overpay’ for any asset? There are other teams with D available and that list will like increase as we move closer to the deadline.

‘Massively overpay’ is becoming as cringe as ‘immediately fired’. The Flames just need to be smart and make deals that make them better and return positive value on their assets. ‘Massive overpay’ is just noise/nonsense. The Flames should be putting their movable assets on the market and taking the best packages they see fit. Trying to single out one potential trade partner (yes, interpersonal relationships matter for GMs) and demanding ‘massive overpayment’ is probably a bad start for a young GM. Conroy probably wants to be seen as reasonable, but firm, and not a clown.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by TOfan

‘Massively overpay’ is becoming as cringe as ‘immediately fired’. The Flames just need to be smart and make deals that make them better and return positive value on their assets. ‘Massive overpay’ is just noise/nonsense. The Flames should be putting their movable assets on the market and taking the best packages they see fit. Trying to single out one potential trade partner (yes, interpersonal relationships matter for GMs) and demanding ‘massive overpayment’ is probably a bad start for a young GM. Conroy probably wants to be seen as reasonable, but firm, and not a clown.

Get them to massively overpay is just fan fiction, basically.