2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How did Edmonton make themselves a destination? Lucking into McDavid?

Which what players have happily accepted trades to Edmonton? The ones without a NTC?

The overpaid for a broken Elkhom. Signed a bankrupt rapist that no one else wanted. Brought in McDavids friends.

Built a new stadium and got star power - players see them as a team with a chance at the cup - like it or not

Do you think Edmonton isn’t more desirable across the league than Calgary .

[1qqaaz]

I think the Oilers are more desirable than the Flames at this specific moment.
But I think Calgary is much more desirable than Edmonton and always will be.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Built a new stadium and got star power - players see them as a team with a chance at the cup - like it or not

Do you think Edmonton isn’t more desirable across the league than Calgary .

Neither team is a desirable location.

It's why they have to overpay to keep players, or pick up reclamation projects, or guys who are past their primes.

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon Surfer

I would go with the opposite approach: make them unwaiveable. Like training a dog, rub the GMs nose in the mess they made.

If GMs want players to go where they are told, then they should not be signing contracts that say otherwise. This problem is 100% the GM's fault.

GMs use these clauses to make contracts more appealing, so they obviously have value to the players. But then GMs can turn around and try to weasel out of their end of the bargain, and people blame the players instead of the GM who made the deal.

It is like if a job offered an employee extra vacation days in lieu of a higher salary. Then when the employee tried to take it, the boss tries to force the employee to waive their vacation. Complete with a public media campaign about how bad the employee is for expecting their boss to honor the deal they signed.

Get rid of the loopholes. Give these clauses enough weight that people signing take them more seriously. The problem will take care of itself.

Has to be the same standard for players, if players ask for a trade their NMC or NTC gets voided. If you want out, I send you to the place I can get the best deal.

NHL would be far better served to not have them, but one side would have to fight for it to be removed, and it likely isn't the fight they want.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Built a new stadium and got star power - players see them as a team with a chance at the cup - like it or not

Do you think Edmonton isn’t more desirable across the league than Calgary .

No.

The Canadian markets are all in the same boat. Toronto has some advantages, and Montreal can, for Francophones. But otherwise, Canada is the problem.

Having a new dressing room is nice, but if you think that is influencing where people choose to play... LOL

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Built a new stadium and got star power - players see them as a team with a chance at the cup - like it or not

Do you think Edmonton isn’t more desirable across the league than Calgary .

Where's the evidence? Markstrom picked the Flames over the Oilers in free agency. The market was ultra-soft on Kane with and the Oilers still had to shell out $$$ for him. I don't recall other teams willing to offer Hyman a $38.5 million deal. Campbell signed with the Oilers because no other team was dumb enough to commit that much money and term to him. There's zero evidence that Edmonton is more desirable than any team/city in the league outside of maybe Winnipeg and I'm not even sure of that.

[colbym72]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No.

The Canadian markets are all in the same boat. Toronto has some advantages, and Montreal can, for Francophones. But otherwise, Canada is the problem.

Having a new dressing room is nice, but if you think that is influencing where people choose to play... LOL

It is different for every player. We can't just put all players in the same bubble and say "this is what is desirable for all players" and "no one wants to go to Edmonton/Calgary". Some would prefer Edmonton's arena. Some would prefer Calgary for the actual city. Some want a Canadian/hockey market. Some want hot weather. Some want less travel. Some want less tax.

What matters is finding a way to make your organization attractive to players and free agents using the strengths you have, and minimizing the weaknesses of your market.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by colbym72

It is different for every player. We can't just put all players in the same bubble and say "this is what is desirable for all players" and "no one wants to go to Edmonton/Calgary". Some would prefer Edmonton's arena. Some would prefer Calgary for the actual city. Some want a Canadian/hockey market. Some want hot weather. Some want less travel. Some want less tax.

What matters is finding a way to make your organization attractive to players and free agents using the strengths you have, and minimizing the weaknesses of your market.

Sure. And yet pretty much every NTC list includes all the Canadian teams. So that is either a hell of a coincidence with respect to which organizations make themselves attractive, or it is a geography problem.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by shutout

Tie everything to teachers than the hockey season will be shorter with more time off during the season as well.

And everyone will be given a Stanley Cup at the end of every season

The Flames never work after May 1st so I feel like if they were tied to a teachers work schedule they would work for many more days.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Where's the evidence? Markstrom picked the Flames over the Oilers in free agency. The market was ultra-soft on Kane with and the Oilers still had to shell out $$$ for him. I don't recall other teams willing to offer Hyman a $38.5 million deal. Campbell signed with the Oilers because no other team was dumb enough to commit that much money and term to him. There's zero evidence that Edmonton is more desirable than any team/city in the league outside of maybe Winnipeg and I'm not even sure of that.

If you want to pad your stats, I can understand picking the Oilers and hope to leetch off McDrai for a few extra points. It kinda worked for Barrie and Kane

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

If you want to pad your stats, I can understand picking the Oilers and hope to leetch off McDrai for a few extra points. It kinda worked for Barrie and Kane

Barrie got traded to Nashville when he was the inferior defenseman and Edmonton upgraded to Ekholm. Kane didn’t have other suitors offering the money Edmonton did. Not exactly leetching

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Built a new stadium and got star power - players see them as a team with a chance at the cup - like it or not

Do you think Edmonton isn’t more desirable across the league than Calgary .

Maybe for a brief stretch a few years ago, strictly because they had a LOT to work with. An embarrassment of riches as always. But then they Oiled it up and turned into just an embarrassment, and players quickly figured it out.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Broberg is still young and has the talent to figure it out elsewhere. If he isn't traded within a couple more seasons, he likely heads down the Puljujarvi route. Holloway is already down that trajectory.

Broberg can’t be worth more than a 3rd at this point

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Barrie got traded to Nashville when he was the inferior defenseman and Edmonton upgraded to Ekholm. Kane didn’t have other suitors offering the money Edmonton did. Not exactly leetching

Pretty sure Edmonton was the only team that offered any term over 2 years to Kane. Not exactly a decision that was made because the Oilers are “desirable”.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Kane went to free agency and zero interest so he quickly circled back and got Holland to give him a longer deal.

[MissTeeks]

Sounds like it’s going great up North.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1732191432180674698

https://twitter.com/user/status/1732191433749389512

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Broberg can’t be worth more than a 3rd at this point

Like paying a 3rd to get someone to take him?

[FusionX]

I'd give future considerations for him

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Kane went to free agency and zero interest so he quickly circled back and got Holland to give him a longer deal.

Yeah, it was funny because he also wrote a good-bye statement to the fans obviously having no intention of staying. Then he was forced to go back hat in hand.

It was reported that he did receive another offer with a higher AAV, but it was only for one year. No one wanted to commit more than that given his past.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by FusionX

I'd give future considerations for him

I would offer Gilbert or DeSimone.