[News] Salary Cap 24/25: 87.675M, HRR ~$6.2B

[saillias]

Brad Treliving can finally trade a 1st for Josh Anderson.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by driveway

Canucks about to hand Petterson and Hronek some enormous contracts.



You think Petterson will get 15 mil a season?

No.

He probably gets $12M. He’s not better than anyone making more.

[Goriders]

Start signing UFAs now. Ours and as many others as you can get.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

With suggestions that expansion fees will be $1 Billion plus the next go round, you can be sure players will take notice. You have to believe the definition of HRR will be a key point of contention in the next negotiation.

2 expansion teams is $2B USD in expansion fees. 50% of that would increase payrolls by $30 million a team.

HRR is a function of ONGOING revenues. If you include (one time) expansion fees, you're under water the next season.

Will NEVER happen.

Edit: sorry, been covered by a few posts already

[SuperMatt18]

Becomes pretty easy to predict the cap though because even if HRR remains flat then that means:

24-25: $87.7M
25-26: $92.1M
26-27: $96.7M

So should see prettt steady growth each of the next 3 seasons.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Owners just split the fee don't they?

It has no effect on the cap UNLESS the new teams contribute more then average to HRR vs existing teams - and even them it would be negligible

Correct.

Expansion fees are split by the owners - an initiation fee, to enter their business.

And revenues from the expansion team would only affect HRR if their revenues were significantly more, or less, than the average of the other teams.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Becomes pretty easy to predict the cap though because even if HRR remains flat then that means:

24-25: $87.7M
25-26: $92.1M
26-27: $96.7M

So should see prettt steady growth each of the next 3 seasons.

Yup, if revenues are $6.2B, then we are heading for $96.7M in 3 years. And it's safe to assume revenues will be higher by then. Even if revenues grow by a little over 1.5% per year, we can add another year of a 5% cap increase to that list, breaking $100M in the 27-28 season.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Becomes pretty easy to predict the cap though because even if HRR remains flat then that means:

24-25: $87.7M
25-26: $92.1M
26-27: $96.7M

So should see prettt steady growth each of the next 3 seasons.

Yeah with the HRR already where it is, this is pretty much a lock.

The jump for 26/27 will be interesting to see - as the CBA is over.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The CBA expires on September 15th 2026.

I would caution getting excited about the 96.7 million cap.

The last few lockouts have seen salary rollbacks, a change in the split and reducing the cap, keeping the cap flat for 4 years.

Wonder if Gary is gearing up for his retirement lockout going after contract lengths this next go around. It was the hill they would die on a few lockouts ago.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The CBA expires on September 15th 2026.

I would caution getting excited about the 96.7 million cap.

The last few lockouts have seen salary rollbacks, a change in the split and reducing the cap, keeping the cap flat for 4 years.

Wonder if Gary is gearing up for his retirement lockout going after contract lengths this next go around. It was the hill they would die on a few lockouts ago.

It remained at 50% last time, and there was no reduction in the cap

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah I think both parties will just be looking for an extension of the CBA...don't really see a big reason for either side to make big changes.

I could see teams and players pushing for things like changes to salary retention rules, or teams being able to trade a portion of cap space.

But I actually don't think either side will push for anything that could result in a lockout.

[Macho0978]

Conroy needs to wrap up his young players long term

I also feel this news makes Kadri and Huberdeau moveable at some point. Contracts are about to blow up.

Weegar is going to be a steal, it's too bad we didn't have more deals like this one. Hanifin at $7.5 mil isn't looking overly bad either,

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It remained at 50% last time, and there was no reduction in the cap

They went from 57% to 50% in HRR. The NHL originally wanted 46%.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah I think both parties will just be looking for an extension of the CBA...don't really see a big reason for either side to make big changes.

I could see teams and players pushing for things like changes to salary retention rules, or teams being able to trade a portion of cap space.

But I actually don't think either side will push for anything that could result in a lockout.

It seems ok right now, but who knows when we have hawk agents in the background.

Allan Walsh is always crying about how the NHL players are underpaid.

It was the first time Gary signed an extension to a CBA but took a pandemic for it.

Last time they wanted 4 year contacts and settled at the 7/8 and wanted 5 year ELC. Who knows if they push back at this, I am sure a lot of GM's would love to reduce contract lengths so you don't get stuck with a bad signing you made.

[Hockey_Ninja]

You just know teams are still gonna waste that extra space

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They went from 57% to 50% in HRR. The NHL originally wanted 46%.



It seems ok right now, but who knows when we have hawk agents in the background.

Allan Walsh is always crying about how the NHL players are underpaid.

It was the first time Gary signed an extension to a CBA but took a pandemic for it.

Last time they wanted 4 year contacts and settled at the 7/8 and wanted 5 year ELC. Who knows if they push back at this, I am sure a lot of GM's would love to reduce contract lengths so you don't get stuck with a bad signing you made.

That was the prior CBA negotiations. The last one remained at 50%.

[Enoch Root]

I suppose we are talking semantics. In 2020 they extended the last CBA for 6 more years.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The CBA expires on September 15th 2026.

I would caution getting excited about the 96.7 million cap.

The last few lockouts have seen salary rollbacks, a change in the split and reducing the cap, keeping the cap flat for 4 years.

Wonder if Gary is gearing up for his retirement lockout going after contract lengths this next go around. It was the hill they would die on a few lockouts ago.

I’m fine with capping contract lengths.

Max-4 year ELCs
UFA 2-years after ELC
Max-5 year contracts
Max-3 year contracts if a player has never scored 40 points.

Exceptions:

-Major award winners (Hart, Ross, Lindsey, Norris, Richard, Selke, Vezina) are eligible to extend one additional year per award won during the time of the previous contract.

-Stanley Cup champion may offer extensions 1-year beyond max allowable to any RFA/UFA prior to the start of free agency.

We get more player movement, fewer boat anchors, less bitching about the salary cap, and the players get all their money sooner.

Pay these guys what they’re worth, when they’re worth it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Don't forget that the higher the salary cap, the more expensive the tickets are getting. Only sport that might be close for ticket sales as a percentage of revenue is perhaps baseball, and that's a sport that I think is slowly dying.

Ticket prices are based on supply and demand.

You cannot artificially increase them because the cap is going up.

Baseball is thriving.

[Enoch Root]

Yeah, the cap is a function of ticket prices, not vice versa.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Conroy needs to wrap up his young players long term

I also feel this news makes Kadri and Huberdeau moveable at some point. Contracts are about to blow up.

Weegar is going to be a steal, it's too bad we didn't have more deals like this one. Hanifin at $7.5 mil isn't looking overly bad either,

I’m not sure Calgary has any young players you would want to lock up for a long term.