[Game Takes] Canucks 4 Flames 3

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Inferno

That was Vladar's game.

You're right. Copied the wrong one. But it doesn't change the fact that Markstrom lets in the first goal ~80% of the time. And usually in the first three minutes of the game.

Originally Posted by Inferno

You're also suggesting because a goal is early it's a bad goal which isn't always the case.

Not always the case but most of the time the first early goal is Markstrom's weakest for the night.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You're "still won't answer the question" BS had a time stamp of 3 minutes on it ... you know the time it took me to respond to it.

You're anti obsession with Zadorov is very very odd.

A former Flame. Explains all you need to know.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

okay so no you aren't

MASSIVE HOLE!

team plays better and wins more...maybe just maybe the hole wasn't all that massive IMO

If the loss is that big they should really just throw in the towel now.

as good as a 5th defenseman is I personally don't think they move the needle much in terms of wins and losses, that is all.

I also don't think he was as good as some seem to...better than Osterle yes, but I feel he is greatly over rated.

I think I gave a pretty detailed and fair answer to your question.

[dino7c]

Its not anti Zadorov

I said I don't think his loss will effect the team much and I have been attacked about it multiple times...yet nobody wants to actually challenge the record on it.

If its a massive loss the team will be in big trouble in the next month. Lets see how big the loss is. So far the record is better, those are the actual results.

I know if they go 19-1 it will be because of something else though lol.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think I gave a pretty detailed and fair answer to your question.

the answer is if they lose you told me so and if they win its because...IDK but not because Zadorov wasn't MASSIVE LOSS.

I mean someone got mad at me and called me a hater for saying Zadorov didn't score last night, sorry for posting the actual news.

I get it he tells it like it is, hates putin, great interview ect.

average NHL dman, not a difference maker IMO

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Can't find the game breakdown on NST, but amoneypuck shows Demko with 3.24 XGA and Markstrom with 3.09 XGA.

I went to Moneypuck too.

The Canucks had an expected goals of 3.664 late in the game, and then it went to 3.992 on the goal event.

So it looks like the empty net goal added 0.32 expected goals.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its not anti Zadorov

I said I don't think his loss will effect the team much and I have been attacked about it multiple times...yet nobody wants to actually challenge the record on it.

If its a massive loss the team will be in big trouble in the next month. Lets see how big the loss is. So far the record is better, those are the actual results.

I know if they go 19-1 it will be because of something else though lol.

I think someone that spent the time that I did to actually explain why I think the Flames are worse off now than when they had Zadorov has a lot more value and logic than a two game sample size of win/loss results in a team game when the third pairing is being sheltered.

You just have your head in the sand.

[dino7c]

SN was acting like Markstom kept the game from being 10-1

some of you think he was terrible

truth is in the middle somewhere as usual

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think someone that spent the time that I did to actually explain why I think the Flames are worse off now than when they had Zadorov has a lot more value and logic than a two game sample size of win/loss results in a team game when the third pairing is being sheltered.

You just have your head in the sand.

we can wait for a larger sample size...feel free to call me out

don't get butthurt if I do the same

the only way to factor how much the Flames miss Zadorov is their record...its all that matters at the end of the day

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

the answer is if they lose you told me so and if they win its because...IDK but not because Zadorov wasn't MASSIVE LOSS.

I mean someone got mad at me and called me a hater for saying Zadorov didn't score last night, sorry for posting the actual news.

I get it he tells it like it is, hates putin, great interview ect.

average NHL dman, not a difference maker IMO

I think I have a pretty good track record of pretty much never walking out I told you so's.

And nobody is arguing that he's above an average NHL defenseman. But when you take out an average NHL defenseman and don't have an NHL defenseman (average or below) to replace him you likely feel a negative impact.

To suggest otherwise isn't far from arguing against gravity at this point.

Just head shaking.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

we can wait for a larger sample size...feel free to call me out

don't get butthurt if I do the same

the only way to factor how much the Flames miss Zadorov is their record...its all that matters at the end of the day

I won't get butthurt because it will be pretty easy to respond to.

I'll just calmly point out that a third pairing doesn't determine wins and losses to the impact where numbers supporting Zadorov wasn't a loss or that Zadorov was the reason they are losing is valid.

It's already proven by deployment.

You lost this argument a long time ago, you just haven't realized it yet.

[cannon7]

Can we agree that DeSimone has been better than Oesterle and Gilbert?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Can we agree that DeSimone has been better than Oesterle and Gilbert?

Osesterle maybe, Gilbert I am not sure. All 3 have been pretty terrible all season and shown they are placeholders not guys that should be here long term.

Although that is probably true for most #6 defenseman on the non top teams.

[Bingo]

For the record ...

Markstrom has 17 starts.

He's allowed the first goal 11 times.
He's given up a goal in the first three minutes 4 times.
One of those games Calgary had already scored.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Osesterle maybe, Gilbert I am not sure. All 3 have been pretty terrible all season and shown they are placeholders not guys that should be here long term.

Although that is probably true for most #6 defenseman on the non top teams.

I think Oesterle is an AHL guy.
Gilbert a 7.

DeSimone the jury is out on ... he looked like a 6 for a good stretch this season. Not making the case he's a 4 or 5 but a 6.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by cannon7

You're right. Copied the wrong one. But it doesn't change the fact that Markstrom lets in the first goal ~80% of the time. And usually in the first three minutes of the game.



Not always the case but most of the time the first early goal is Markstrom's weakest for the night.

That's the thing. They are going to get scored on, and there are going to be goals that look like they should have been saved.

But Markstrom just doesn't look ready for that first shot, far too often. It's a pattern, and it's an ugly one.

And it results in the team playing from behind, far more often than they should be.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

SN was acting like Markstom kept the game from being 10-1

some of you think he was terrible

truth is in the middle somewhere as usual

When I want some high quality analysis of a game - especially a Flame game - I head straight to SN!

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think Oesterle is an AHL guy.
Gilbert a 7.

DeSimone the jury is out on ... he looked like a 6 for a good stretch this season. Not making the case he's a 4 or 5 but a 6.

Meaningless really. All that matters is the win/loss record with each guy in the lineup. Small sample sizes preferred.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Can we agree that DeSimone has been better than Oesterle and Gilbert?

I don't know - can we?

DeSimone, Gilbert, Oesterle and Solovyov had all had some decent games. And they have all struggled. That's why they are depth guys, and not in the top 6.

IMO, no one has grabbed the job yet. And I think continued rotation is probably the way to go. Keep them fresh, keep them hungry, and don't ask too much of them.

[Enoch Root]

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