2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread - Page 609 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

CFO · 12-02-2023, 09:14 AM

Moment hanafin is traded - flames will be looking for a replacement. So doesn't make sense.

Lil Pedro · 12-02-2023, 09:16 AM

If Tre is go bullish on getting Tanev now with retention on his salary, then the ask from the Flames should be their first this year

Aarongavey · 12-02-2023, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Spurs

I am talking about that listing 4 teams that have the weakest defense groups in the league isn't going to change the fact that teams are going to rate Hanifin for his play over his career not a short period of time. That was the point of the post you quoted.

You don't need to explain anything but you have explained how one team, the team we are least likely to trade with, might be willing to overpay for Hanifin, that has nothing to do with the post saying teams aren't overpaying for a player based on short period of good play like Ruttiger said in his post.

Might as well add the following teams where he would be a top two dman

Jets
blues
Coyotes
Predators
Wild
Kings
Red wings
Sharks
Ducks
Habs
Capitals
Flyers
Blue jackets

You can probably make an argument for him on other teams not on that list but he is definitely top two or the best dman on every team in that list.

Spurs · 12-02-2023, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CFO

Moment hanafin is traded - flames will be looking for a replacement. So doesn't make sense.

Moment we trade any of our UFA's we are looking a replacement. We don't have a Lindholm replacement, we don't have a Tanev replacement. Zadorov I think we can replace internally, although we don't have great options but bottom pairing isn't tough to find ok-ish options.

Hanifin doesn't fit in with where this team is and he can bring back a good return of players that can fit better.

Spurs · 12-02-2023, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Might as well add the following teams where he would be a top two dman

Jets
blues
Coyotes
Predators
Wild
Kings
Red wings
Sharks
Ducks
Habs
Capitals
Flyers
Blue jackets

You can probably make an argument for him on other teams not on that list but he is definitely top two or the best dman on every team in that list.

Some of those are debatable but the post quoted said #1 defenseman. And he isn't #1 on many of those teams.

Those are also a lot of teams that likely have no interest in trading for Hanifin at all, so not sure they will have much impact on the trade value you get for him.

Flamesfan05 · 12-02-2023, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Might as well add the following teams where he would be a top two dman

Jets
blues
Coyotes
Predators
Wild
Kings
Red wings
Sharks
Ducks
Habs
Capitals
Flyers
Blue jackets

You can probably make an argument for him on other teams not on that list but he is definitely top two or the best dman on every team in that list.

Most of those teams are not in contention. They may even in sell mode.
Not sure if they want to spend a lot to get a #2 dman if they are not competing now.

Aarongavey · 12-02-2023, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Most of those teams are not in contention. They may even in sell mode.
Not sure if they want to spend a lot to get a #2 dman if they are not competing now.

There are a lot of teams that are in contention that would give up a lot for a dman like Hanifin. That being said he is the only one of the UFA’s that I hope the Flames keep.

Tkachukwagon · 12-02-2023, 10:09 AM

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blender · 12-02-2023, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Spurs

Hanifin doesn't fit in with where this team is and he can bring back a good return of players that can fit better.

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Originally Posted by Spurs

Those are also a lot of teams that likely have no interest in trading for Hanifin at all, so not sure they will have much impact on the trade value you get for him.

So Hanifin is good, but not that good?
He will net a good return, but not that good?
Seems like you've got it covered.

Spurs · 12-02-2023, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blender

So Hanifin is good, but not that good?
He will net a good return, but not that good?
Seems like you've got it covered.

As usual yes I have it covered and am right on with my assessment.

Bingo · 12-02-2023, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

come on buddy, be honest with yourself...you post 10x more if they are losing or have lost

Hanifin is playing great out there...he could be top pair on a lot of teams right now...you thanked the Oiler fan post saying he wasn't a top pair but he would obviously be top pair for those clowns.

Always love it when you two go at it.

Kind of a balance in the universe thing ... negative spin meets positive spin

Bingo · 12-02-2023, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Will the real Hanifin please stand up

The Hanifin of the last month is worth what he is asking for

The Hanifin before that is not

This in the Hanifin we saw in the last 1/3 of last season too, and I think it's who he is.

This year most of the team started poorly.

I'd put the player in the team's top 10% for consistency. He doesn't have a lot of bad games.

His metrics and usage have him as a 2 league wide, and that means over $6M and likely over $7M when he signs his next contract.

Royle9 · 12-02-2023, 10:58 AM

Sell high on Hanifin.

Get younger get picks and get someone who’s committed to the Flames.
Don’t circle back and overspend on a guy who wanted nothing to do with this city.

Bingo · 12-02-2023, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Spurs

As usual yes I have it covered and am right on with my assessment.

Was that a sarcastic post?

Hope so.

bluejays · 12-02-2023, 11:04 AM

New pet peeve: typing "the player" when you could just as easily say the person's name. Everyone trying to sound more professional.

(edit: not specifically @Bingo, more in reference to Friedman's post)

Bingo · 12-02-2023, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bluejays

New pet peeve: typing "the player" when you could just as easily say the person's name. Everyone trying to sound more professional.

(edit: not specifically @Bingo, more in reference to Friedman's post)

Did I do that?

Maybe I should start, I like the sound of upping my sounding professional!

traptor · 12-02-2023, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

This isn't the way it actually happened according to what I have heard. He was absolutely going to sign that extension and it was the Flames who decided to back off it because the team was not playing well. If things continue to trend the way they have been recently I expect that deal to get signed without a trade after, despite what LeBraun is reporting. Everything I am hearing is that Hanifin prefers to stay in Calgary now.

Looks like Retool is off the menu. Welcome to more of the same.

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am also hearing Toronto is pushing very hard to get a deal for Tanev done. Tre wants 50% retention though, not sure Conroy has the appetite for that. No idea what the Flames would want in return.

Why wouldn't Conroy be open to retention?
We took a worse offer to not retain of Zadorov.
We very well might not be trading Hanifin.

Why woulnd't we use a retention slot for one season to get a better deal on Tanev?

Erick Estrada · 12-02-2023, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Always love it when you two go at it.

Kind of a balance in the universe thing ... negative spin meets positive spin

The battle that nobody wanted or asked for.

Bingo · 12-02-2023, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The battle that nobody wanted or asked for.

"bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness!"

dino7c · 12-02-2023, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The battle that nobody wanted or asked for.

Same could be said about your posting history

Not exactly the most popular takes over the years